Update Coaching Contact Rules WWCA/WIAA

[mulletwrestler]

It has to be the same across the board.  There were multiple HS coaches in the corners coaching this past weekend.

[hutgoose]

Do you know these coaches' relationship the wrestlers? Some coaches do have  children who wrestle and other family as well. Is there a rule against that?

[MatScoutWillie]

All good points.  It's simple, if a HS coach wants to put more time in that is great.  There shouldn't be limits on what a HS coach does to help his athletes get better.  If you're a coach that doesn't want to put more time in, so be it. 

If the coach is putting pressure on the athletes to divert them from other sports, then that needs to be addressed because that is unacceptable. 

Problem solved.

[MNbadger]

Should a coach "put pressure on a wrestler" to do any of this?  I am not saying they should or should not but other sports should not be the reason one way or another.
What I am asking is "putting pressure on a wrestler" ok just because they are not out for another sport? 

[CityGuy]

MSWille solved the issue. Well said.

MNBadger a coach should make the wrestler aware of the oppurtunites. If they are intrinstically motivated, support them to compete. They can do it while playing a Spring sport, just need time managment and motivation. Spring Sport is a factor, not a dealbreaker. If you gotta apply to much pressure during international season, you're doing something wrong. So a long winded, no lol.

[MNbadger]

Yep, I agree with your post CG. 

[WrestlerSB80]

One coach that I didn't see there was Bono. Becker was there.

[145Firemanscarry]

MTA,

Our high school coaches did not have any contact with athletes as other staff such as MS and our youth coaches provided the instruction - none of these coaches work with our high school athletes in-season.

[New School]

My 2 cents:

To basically circumvent current rules in place that protect coaches and student/athletes from the "more, more, more" mentality and say that Greco & Freestyle is different , I believe is irresponsible.

As a high school coach of 30 years that had wrestlers consistently qualify and place at the State tournament, I have a different view regarding that some coaches vote against the idea of having more contact time  - and it's not because they "don't want to look bad" compared to neighboring communities.

I contend that maybe some coaches are capable of getting great results in the time that they work with their wrestlers from Nov - March.  And in reality, if you're not able to move the needle with regard to in-season success during that time, then maybe you need to look in the mirror and reassess what and how you're doing business.

I also believe there is value, which I saw through the years with some of our wrestlers, in the Greco/Freestyle wrestling. However , instead of being in the practice room in the Spring/Summer, rely on your in-home club to deliver the coaching, practice , strategy, etc.... This allows your high school coaching staff to get the natural time-away break from their athletes as well as the athletes getting a break from their coaches. That's a good thing!!  And, the kids are still getting exposure to the positive benefits of what Greco/Freestyle wrestling offers.

More time together with their high school athletes is a slippery slope.  I believe it puts undo pressure on the athlete to do "more" and that's not a good thing.  It's ok to tell kids to take a break, be a kid, enjoy/experience other things than wrestling.  We'll get together again in Nov. and work hard through March!

Again , this is my view, but it's based on high-level success through the years. And, success was achieved through not only hard work in the practice room, but also by teaching our athletes the value of being a good team mate, good student, being ethical , not taking short cuts, etc...core value type of things.  You can do all of this from Nov - March and have your wrestlers reap the benefits..."more" time together is not the simple answer nor is it the "right" answer from where I stand.

Respectfully,

Success without "more"

"I contend that maybe some coaches are capable of getting great results in the time that they work with their wrestlers from Nov - March.  And in reality, if you're not able to move the needle with regard to in-season success during that time, then maybe you need to look in the mirror and reassess what and how you're doing business."

Just want to clarify, ~73 of the 84 Division 1 state medalists this last year have Track profiles showing club affiliations and off-season work.

You say if you aren't able to move the needle from Nov-March maybe the coach should look in the mirror. 

You also say your in-home club of MS and youth coaches take over and work with your high school team outside of Nov-March?

So which is it? 

Kids obviously benefit from putting in work outside the season and it shows based on the medal results.  The availability and affordability of private wrestling clubs or having a large experienced MS and youth coaching staff for an in-home club willing to work with the high schoolers on top of their other positions(but not during the high school season) are not available in every community. 

Updating the contact rules specifically around optional workouts helps provide more opportunities for the kids and families that are interested. 

[145Firemanscarry]

Clarification New School-

I believe kids can get the extra work and mat time they desire without having their high school coaches in the mix.  If the club coaches are taking a $check from these kids, I guess I'd expect them to be at these post season events to coach. 

In the end, just because a kid does/doesn't have their high school coach present during the offseason is not a deal breaker in their regular high season in my estimation or experience .  The rule is currently in place to keep coaches from being too involved - year round contact practically ,if this were to change ,opens the kid/coach up to some pitfalls .  You need a healthy balance.

Lastly, I guess we probably just agree to disagree on this subject. 

[DocWrestling]

One simple point...

Coaches are hard to find.  If expectation becomes year round coaching then finding coaches will be even more difficult.

My opinion.
1) One wrestler has a mythical greatest HS coach in history and has year round contact with him and his teammates
vs.
2) Same HS coach for during the season but has different coach in offseason with different workout partners.

Wrestler #2 will always end up the better wrestler.  Kids need to be exposed to different coaches and practice partners.