is there a live feed for this
Unfortunately no. Getting live results may be even difficult. If anyone finds a link to any of the duals or results please post. On Wisconsin.
there is no live feed - too many mats Track Wrestling has the Virginia Tech matches - just started- and the Hokie Sports page will be posting results.
http://www.hokiesports.com/wrestling/hokieduals/ (http://www.hokiesports.com/wrestling/hokieduals/)
This is not directed at UW, but more at the whole college wrestling community as a whole, especially DI schools. It continues to blow my mind that in this day and age of technology with Twitter, blogs, video streams, BTN, trackwrestling, etc., that for some events it's still impossible to find results for matches. I don't know if there's much of an excuse for not having these events on line in some way. We have a of people that are willing to follow along even if it's just match scores after the match has completed and there's no way to find any results. We keep saying that we need to continue to promote and market the sport to help it grow and the sport continues to shoot itself in the foot, JMO. Makes we want to go watch the Oxygen channel.
+1
Everything but the Oxygen channel sentence. ;D
Here is what I know so far....I have no scores...
Cavalaris lost, Graff won, thielke lost, Ruschell lost and Jordan won. Cousins is wrestling now. Taylor will be in the next two duals.
Cousins wins a close one. Again no scores but getting what I can.
No match at 174....Jackson up now.
Jackson wins. Timmy now up. Need Timmy and Connor to win to win the dual.
Quote from: BuckyMatRat on November 10, 2013, 08:45:12 AM
Here is what I know so far....I have no scores...
Cavalaris lost, Graff won, thielke lost, Ruschell lost and Jordan won. Cousins is wrestling now. Taylor will be in the next two duals.
why not this one?
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on November 10, 2013, 09:12:23 AM
Quote from: BuckyMatRat on November 10, 2013, 08:45:12 AM
Here is what I know so far....I have no scores...
Cavalaris lost, Graff won, thielke lost, Ruschell lost and Jordan won. Cousins is wrestling now. Taylor will be in the next two duals.
why not this one?
Resting his hip....
Timmy loses 2-0 while Connor gets first period TF 16-0. Trying to get final team score.
This is just lineups... NOT results. Comes from link above...
North Carolina vs. Wisconsin
125: Nathan Kraisser (NC) vs. Ryan Taylor (W)
133: Tony Heilmann (NC) vs. Tyler Graff (W)
141: Evan Henderson (NC) vs. Jess Thielke (W)
149: Nick Heilmann (NC) vs. T.J. Ruschell (W)
157: Robert Henderson (NC) vs. Isaac Jordan (W)
165: Jake Crawford (NC) vs. Ben Cox (W)
174: Scott Marmoll (NC) vs. Scott Liegel (W)
184: Alex Utley (NC) vs. Jackson Hein (W)
197: Frank Abbondanza (NC) vs. Timmy McCall (W)
285: Bob Coe (NC) vs. Connor Medbery (W)
Virginia vs. Wisconsin
125: Nick Hermann or Will Mason (VA) vs. Ryan Taylor (W)
133: Joseph Martinez (VA) vs. Tyler Graff (W)
141: Joe Spisak or Justin Van Hoose (VA) vs. Jess Thielke (W)
149: Gus Sako or Chris Yankowich (VA) vs. T.J. Ruschell (W)
157: Blaise Butler (VA) vs. Isaac Jordan (W)
165: Nick Sulzer or Greg Bacci (VA) vs. Ben Cox (W)
174: Steven Doty (VA) vs. Scott Liegel (W)
184: Jon Fausey or James Suvak (VA) vs. Jackson Hein (W)
197: Zach Nye or Patrick Gillen (VA) vs. Timmy McCall (W)
285: Ethan Hayes or Collin Campbell (VA) vs. Connor Medbery (W)
Old Dominion vs. Wisconsin
125: Brandon Jeske or Buddy Scarborough (ODU) vs. Ryan Taylor (W)
133: Scott Festejo or Michael Hayes (ODU) vs. Tyler Graff (W)
141: Chris Mecate (ODU) vs. Jess Thielke (W)
149: Alexander Richardson (ODU) vs. T.J. Ruschell (W)
157: Tristan Warner (ODU) vs. Isaac Jordan (W)
165: Dillon Geoghegan or Devin Geoghegan (ODU) vs. Ben Cox (W)
174: Billy Curling or Austin Coburn (ODU) vs. Scott Liegel (W)
184: Jack Dechow (ODU) vs. Jackson Hein (W)
197: Kevin Beazley or Jacob Henderson (ODU) vs. Timmy McCall (W)
285: Matt Tourdot (ODU) vs. Connor Medbery (W)
http://www.hokiesports.com/wrestling/hokieduals/
North Carolina 24 - Wisconsin 21
125: Nathan Kraisser (NC) fall Matt Cavallanis, 1:47
133: Tyler Graff (W) dec. Tony Heilmann, 15-6
141: Evan Henderson (NC) fall Jess Thielke, 4:46
149: Nick Heilmann (NC) dec. T.J. Ruschell, 8-6
157: Isaac Jordan (W) fall Robert Henderson, 2:12
165: Frank Cousins (W) dec. Jake Crawford, 7-4
174: Scott Marmoll (NC) wins by forfeit
184: Jackson Hein (W) dec. Alex Utley, 3-2
197: Frank Abbondanza (NC) dec. Timmy McCall, 2-0
285: Bob Coe (NC) tech fall Connor Medbery, 16-0 (2:15)
Here are the results that were posted. It looks like they have Medberry's results flipped.
Quote from: Ghetto on November 10, 2013, 08:35:35 AM
+1
Everything but the Oxygen channel sentence. ;D
Your prefer OWN over Oxygen?
Is Scotty hurt?
Quote from: J Feiner on November 10, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Is Scotty hurt?
Yes please any information on Liegel? Also any insight on what happened in the Thielke match? Did he get caught? What was the score at the point of the fall?
Dual with VA has started. Ryan Taylor wins and Graff beats fellow Coloradoan Martinez 21-9.
Evan Henderson is an outstanding wrestler who has also pinned Sueflohn and Hunter Stieber. I believe both have avenged their losses.
Thielke loses 6-2.
TJ loses a tough one 6-4.
Jordan wins 8-2....Cousins now up.
It appears the transition to folkstyle at 141 could be a tough one for Thielke.
Cousins lost by TF. Liegel forfeit. Team score 17-10 - VA.
Jackson wins 3-1 in OT. 17-13 VA with two to go.
Thanks for the updates BuckyMatRat.
Badgers with the 19-17 win over UVA.
Told from coaches that Scotty has a thumb injury (occurred in the 1st period against UTC on Friday).
Heard the Ruschell/Sako match was a good one. Sako is ranked #13 by intermat - good sign for TJ.
Timmy won and Connor won 6-5. The team won 19-17. The guy Connor faced was a big boy....has to cut to make weight...lol.
RT wins 8-5
Graff 17-7
Thank you BadgerJohn.
Could you start a twitter account like @UWwrestling or something. I think its absolutely ridiculous that we can't get updates on twitter. If high school teams can do it, then our only D1 program certainly can.
JT down 4-0 start of 3rd
JT lose 8-0. 5mins rt
Rough day for JT
TJ 0-0 end of 1st both up start of 2nd td od
Fall od
Zeke 0-0 end of 1st. OD down. E 1
Stall od. Zeke td. 2-1 start of 3rd zeke choose down. Reversal
Zeke ride out. Win 5-0
Frank bodylock td. OD escape start of 2nd
Franck down start of 3rd. E 1. 3-1
Frank bodylock 5. 8-1 final
not to interrupt these updates, but anybody know where the hokie open results are?
174 FF.
OD td . E1. Od td. 4-1 end of 1st
6-3 start of 3rd. OD e.
Couldn't we pull someone from the homie open to wrestle? Yde? I thought that was the new twist to this tourney?
Jack lose. 13-5. All TDs.
We didn't bring an extra 174 along to this trip. We brought Cox and Cousins at 165, but Cox injured his knee on Friday. No options.
Timmy td. E. Td. E. 4-2
Yde wrestled in the Loras open.
Td e 6-3
End of 2nd
OD e 6-4.
Td od 6-6.
Ot
Timmy reversal first tb
8-6 final
Rylan wins on open side. 2 wins 1 lose
Conner sw fleeing. 0-0 end of 1st. Conner down. E1
OD sw. End of 2
OD down start of 3rd
. Reversal. E. 2-2
OD fleeing 1. Conner wins 3-2.
Bucky lose 19-20
And thats a wrap. If only I had a press pass ;)
Tough to forfeit a weight.
Jesse will have a long flight back to Mad Town.
Jesse will be fine...just some growing pains.... ;)
Quote from: Goat Roper on November 10, 2013, 02:25:17 PM
We should all be excited bt RT and IJ.
The whole team has me excited.
Quote from: Harris on November 10, 2013, 02:28:00 PM
Quote from: Goat Roper on November 10, 2013, 02:25:17 PM
We should all be excited bt RT and IJ.
The whole team has me excited.
Absolutely. It's not fun to lose those, but they wrestled a bunch of ranked guys today. It's good to get those matches in early on, and they likely won't see any of those guys again until March. Now they know what they have to work on and build for the next match.
two injuries on the first day made it tough to win on the road. I still think this team deserves a top 10 ranking. lots of season left. I just hope the injuries aren't serious.
These losses will bounce the Badgers down in the rankings and Thielke's high ranking will drop obviously. Otherwise, clearly we know we need Taylor at 125 lbs and a healthy Liegel for this team to be competitive. A heck of a lot of matches this weekend. One could say that Robertson finished the highest among the new recruits this weekend.
Quote from: zugzoo on November 10, 2013, 12:57:21 PM
not to interrupt these updates, but anybody know where the hokie open results are?
It took all day but I finally found the results link.
http://www.vmikeydets.com/pdf9/2563230.pdf?ATCLID=209304307&SPSID=100840&SPID=12385&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=9800
Tournament placed 6 with wrestlebacks to 5th.
Cavallaris - 1 match from placing
Glenn - DNP
Lubeck - 6th (lost to champion Walsh 5-4)
Iczkowski - 1 match from placing (lost to champion Kasper 5-2)
Horwath - 3rd
Remember, JT lost to guys ranked #5, #9 and #17 so it's not like he lost to scrubs.
Quote from: dietac on November 10, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Remember, JT lost to guys ranked #5, #9 and #17 so it's not like he lost to scrubs.
JT had first 2 takedowns on #5, so he has the tools. Struggled to get out from bottom all day.
I think anyone would be lying if they say Theilke's losses don't give them pause for thought (somewhere ROCKY3 is pulling his hair out). That kind of day was simply not envisioned. But it is what it is - he's going to have to improve in order to be competitive at a level everyone expected. He didn't lose to bad wrestlers, but the expectation was that he would be better than most of those guys out of the gate. Perhaps we were simply too high on his early career potential - we'll see, I guess.
Wrestling team tops No. 20 Wisconsin, starts season 1-2
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/11/wrestling-team-tops-no-20-wisconsin-starts-season-1-2
Quote from: badgerjohn on November 10, 2013, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: dietac on November 10, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Remember, JT lost to guys ranked #5, #9 and #17 so it's not like he lost to scrubs.
JT had first 2 takedowns on #5, so he has the tools. Struggled to get out from bottom all day.
when is the last time he has had to fight to get out? Most of the Blue Chip HS guys have never been down in a match or turned or had to fight to get out...this is new territory when they enter D1 college
Quote from: npope on November 11, 2013, 06:30:47 AM
I think anyone would be lying if they say Theilke's losses don't give them pause for thought (somewhere ROCKY3 is pulling his hair out). That kind of day was simply not envisioned. But it is what it is - he's going to have to improve in order to be competitive at a level everyone expected. He didn't lose to bad wrestlers, but the expectation was that he would be better than most of those guys out of the gate. Perhaps we were simply too high on his early career potential - we'll see, I guess.
are you kidding me?
remember when Kevin Black was a fresh... no offense if he is reading this... he struggled to go .500 and also was getting pinned. JT has been away from top end folkstyle competition a couple years, this was a meat grinder of a way to come back to big time folkstyle competition. I'm sure he will just work that much harder, he will be a lot better by mid season and ever better by end of season. The only result that surprised me was losing 8-0. Some people one here who are over the top wanted to crown him an NCAA Champ all 4 years before he stepped on the mat, I thought being an AA would be a successful first year. I hate to sound like I'm making excuses but I said before the season started I thought it would be hard for someone who just wrestled 132 to step in 141, I think he will continue to add muscle/size during the season as well as experience. I'm not worried one bit.
Quote from: Goat Roper on November 11, 2013, 08:42:12 AM
Jag,
JT says that his normal weight is in the mid 150's. So he is cutting approximately 10% of his body weight.
he also stated that cutting to 132 cut most of his muscle off that he had added to get to 150... when you have very little fat, the only thing left is to cut muscle... fat comes back quick, muscle takes time. It has only been 6 weeks since he was 132... either way, he will be fine.
Quote from: badgerjohn on November 10, 2013, 10:33:59 PM
Quote from: dietac on November 10, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Remember, JT lost to guys ranked #5, #9 and #17 so it's not like he lost to scrubs.
JT had first 2 takedowns on #5, so he has the tools. Struggled to get out from bottom all day.
I believe AD also struggled getting out of the bottom early last year. He figured it out.
Quote from: npope on November 11, 2013, 06:30:47 AM
I think anyone would be lying if they say Theilke's losses don't give them pause for thought (somewhere ROCKY3 is pulling his hair out). That kind of day was simply not envisioned. But it is what it is - he's going to have to improve in order to be competitive at a level everyone expected. He didn't lose to bad wrestlers, but the expectation was that he would be better than most of those guys out of the gate. Perhaps we were simply too high on his early career potential - we'll see, I guess.
He certainly had a tough day, that's for sure.
I agree with you to a certain extent. He didn't dominate like many thought he would. He simply is going to get better, and we all believe he will. To assume a kid, as great as JT was (is) does not guarantee anything at this level.
He's gonna have to get better at wrestling on the mat. I have no doubt he can score from his feet.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on November 11, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Quote from: npope on November 11, 2013, 06:30:47 AM
I think anyone would be lying if they say Theilke's losses don't give them pause for thought (somewhere ROCKY3 is pulling his hair out). That kind of day was simply not envisioned. But it is what it is - he's going to have to improve in order to be competitive at a level everyone expected. He didn't lose to bad wrestlers, but the expectation was that he would be better than most of those guys out of the gate. Perhaps we were simply too high on his early career potential - we'll see, I guess.
are you kidding me?
What the heck are you talking about, Jags? Can you spot one thing in what I said that isn't true of the forum chatter leading up to JTs start of his career; what happened over the weekend; where he is relative to the moderately elite competition he will face this year?
So you are the one guy on this forum who thought that JT starting off his collegiate folk style would go 3-3 on the first weekend - losing all his DI matches and even getting pinned. Yup - gotta agree, no surprises there - that's about what you expected, right? ::) You know, the national wrestling media had him slotted at #9 heading into the season, right? To the best of my knowledge, "over-the-top" posters on this forum aren't on that ranking committee.
And BTW, Kevin Black wasn't nationally ranked heading into his RS freshman campaign - expectations were different for Black and JT. Suffice to say, maybe early expectations for JT were a bit too high. That said, hopefully he responds well to the new challenges that await him.
Quote from: npope on November 11, 2013, 09:41:49 AM
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on November 11, 2013, 08:30:31 AM
Quote from: npope on November 11, 2013, 06:30:47 AM
I think anyone would be lying if they say Theilke's losses don't give them pause for thought (somewhere ROCKY3 is pulling his hair out). That kind of day was simply not envisioned. But it is what it is - he's going to have to improve in order to be competitive at a level everyone expected. He didn't lose to bad wrestlers, but the expectation was that he would be better than most of those guys out of the gate. Perhaps we were simply too high on his early career potential - we'll see, I guess.
are you kidding me?
What the heck are you talking about, Jags? Can you spot one thing in what I said that isn't true of the forum chatter leading up to JTs start of his career; what happened over the weekend; where he is relative to the moderately elite competition he will face this year?
So you are the one guy on this forum who thought that JT starting off his collegiate folk style would go 3-3 on the first weekend - losing all his DI matches and even getting pinned. Yup - gotta agree, no surprises there - that's about what you expected, right? ::) You know, the national wrestling media had him slotted at #9 heading into the season, right? To the best of my knowledge, "over-the-top" posters on this forum aren't on that ranking committee.
And BTW, Kevin Black wasn't nationally ranked heading into his RS freshman campaign - expectations were different for Black and JT. Suffice to say, maybe early expectations for JT were a bit too high. That said, hopefully he responds well to the new challenges that await him.
yes, I know people on the forum had him going undefeated this year... but I have watched college wrestling before this year. I have seen highly ranked, highly recruited guys fail and struggle to go .500, not just in their first year but their career. As I said, most blue chip recruits are going through something they never faced before, having to get away, having to hold guys down, fight from being turned and face a guy that can defend your takedowns. It will take some time to adjust but I'm sure he will do just fine. Not many guys face 3 ranked guys their first weekend of their career. I still think JT will be in contention for an AA when the year is over and I think that would be success for any highly ranked recruit.
If he lost 3 straight matches to unranked wrestlers... then I would pause for a minute and be concerned.
One of the biggest differences between college and high school is the riding. High school wrestlers and coaches who focus mainly on the takedowns, or choose neutral all the time are doing themselves an injustice when it comes to college. It's tough to win if you can't get away. That 1pt riding time is often the deciding factor between wrestlers of otherwise similar abilities.
Having a guy like Kyle Ruschell in the Room should be a great asset for JT
too...as far as mat wrestling is concerned..
It was unrealistic to think experience in G-R would translate to collegiate wrestling, esp DI. The expectations are way too high.
I am not being negative but I will be surprised if JT AAs this year.
Just a few DI 4 time AAs: Dake, Schlatter, Askren, Sanders, Ness. No disrespect intended but these are different characters from JT.
This is somewhat similar to the premature crowning of McCauley as a NC
Quote from: MNbadger on November 11, 2013, 11:52:56 AM
It was unrealistic to think experience in G-R would translate to collegiate wrestling, esp DI. The expectations are way too high.
I am not being negative but I will be surprised if JT AAs this year.
Just a few DI 4 time AAs: Dake, Schlatter, Askren, Sanders, Ness. No disrespect intended but these are different characters from JT.
This is somewhat similar to the premature crowning of McCauley as a NC
being an AA doesn't always have to do with ability... sometimes it depends on who is wrestling at that weight... some weights after the top 2 wrestlers it is a free for all and some have 7 or 8 deep that are all monsters. Graff lost 9 times as a freshman and was able to AA, not to say JT is a shoe in to AA this year but a few loses don't scare me
Quote from: MNbadger on November 11, 2013, 11:52:56 AM
It was unrealistic to think experience in G-R would translate to collegiate wrestling, esp DI. The expectations are way too high.
I am not being negative but I will be surprised if JT AAs this year.
Just a few DI 4 time AAs: Dake, Schlatter, Askren, Sanders, Ness. No disrespect intended but these are different characters from JT.
This is somewhat similar to the premature crowning of McCauley as a NC
Jesse did beat Scott Sentes of Central Michigan at the Midlands last year on his way to a 6th Place Finish, so there is plenty of potential for Jesse in folkstyle. (Fellow Greco star Ryan Mango won the tournament. I think Greco helped both of their causes last year at Midlands)
Greco or Freestyle obviously does not prepare you for collegiate mat wrestling. As Jesse get more proficient at getting out from the bottom, everything will be fine.
They don't call him honey badger for nothing. I believe he will make adjustments and keep improving.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg
I think JT will be fine.....but the team on the other hand....well let's just say these weren't Big Ten teams they were wrestling. Hope there is some big improvement before the Big Ten season kicks off.
Quote from: dman on November 11, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
I think JT will be fine.....but the team on the other hand....well let's just say these weren't Big Ten teams they were wrestling. Hope there is some big improvement before the Big Ten season kicks off.
You do realize 2 or 3 starters were out, right? A bit shortsighted to think there won't be improvement.
Quote from: Badger_Fan on November 11, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: dman on November 11, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
I think JT will be fine.....but the team on the other hand....well let's just say these weren't Big Ten teams they were wrestling. Hope there is some big improvement before the Big Ten season kicks off.
You do realize 2 or 3 starters were out, right? A bit shortsighted to think there won't be improvement.
probably win all 3 matches if we have a 174 and Taylor wrestled all 3 matches, hard to win duals giving up a ff... potentially a 9-12 point swing and we only lost by a couple points, even if taylor and liegel get majored we win the dual.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on November 11, 2013, 02:13:21 PM
Quote from: Badger_Fan on November 11, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: dman on November 11, 2013, 01:58:39 PM
I think JT will be fine.....but the team on the other hand....well let's just say these weren't Big Ten teams they were wrestling. Hope there is some big improvement before the Big Ten season kicks off.
You do realize 2 or 3 starters were out, right? A bit shortsighted to think there won't be improvement.
probably win all 3 matches if we have a 174 and Taylor wrestled all 3 matches, hard to win duals giving up a ff... potentially a 9-12 point swing.
Like I said....hope they are some big improvements before the Big Ten season.
Quote from: TomM on November 11, 2013, 07:43:36 AM
Wrestling team tops No. 20 Wisconsin, starts season 1-2
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2013/11/wrestling-team-tops-no-20-wisconsin-starts-season-1-2
Actually, overall, I think the team did fairly well this past weekend
Ryan Taylor and Timmy McCall had quality wins over ranked opponents
Scott Liegel beat a past National Qualifier in a come from behind victory against Chattanooga
Tyler Graff, Connor Medbery, Isaac Jordan, and Ryan Taylor all won all of their matches
Jackson Hein beat 2 ranked opponents on Sunday... before losing to Dechow...
Jackson and Timmy are both 4-1 on the season...
TJ beat a tough wrestler from Chattanooga with a come from behind win...
Ben Cox won his only match as well...
When you look at Virginia, North Carolina, ODU, and Chattanooga, each team has solid wrestlers... 5 duals in 3 days is quite a few...
I am curious to see what teams are at the Navy Classic coming up ....
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on November 11, 2013, 04:33:28 PM
Actually, overall, I think the team did fairly well this past weekend
Ryan Taylor and Timmy McCall had quality wins over ranked opponents
Scott Liegel beat a past National Qualifier in a come from behind victory against Chattanooga
Tyler Graff, Connor Medbery, Isaac Jordan, and Ryan Taylor all won all of their matches
Jackson Hein beat 2 ranked opponents on Sunday... before losing to Dechow...
Jackson and Timmy are both 4-1 on the season...
TJ beat a tough wrestler from Chattanooga with a come from behind win...
Ben Cox won his only match as well...
When you look at Virginia, North Carolina, ODU, and Chattanooga, each team has solid wrestlers... 5 duals in 3 days is quite a few...
I am curious to see what teams are at the Navy Classic coming up ....
November 23rd-Navy Classic (Brown, Bucknell, Chattanooga, Cleveland State, Franklin & Marshall, George Mason, Kent State, Navy, Ohio, Princeton, The Citadel, West Virginia, Wisconsin) @ Annapolis, Maryland
North Carolina 24 - Wisconsin 21
125: Nathan Kraisser (NC) fall Matt Cavallanis, 1:47 (RT gets points, 9 point swing)
133: Tyler Graff (W) dec. Tony Heilmann, 15-6
141: Evan Henderson (NC) fall Jess Thielke, 4:46
149: Nick Heilmann (NC) dec. T.J. Ruschell, 8-6
157: Isaac Jordan (W) fall Robert Henderson, 2:12
165: Frank Cousins (W) dec. Jake Crawford, 7-4
174: Scott Marmoll (NC) wins by forfeit (had we another 74 we only give up 4 instead of 6)
184: Jackson Hein (W) dec. Alex Utley, 3-2
197: Frank Abbondanza (NC) dec. Timmy McCall, 2-0
285: Connor Medbery (W) tech fall Bob Coe, 16-0 (2:15)
W 24 NC 16 is a quality win by Bucky!
Wisconsin 19 - Virginia 17
125: Ryan Taylor (W) dec. Nick Hermann, 9-7
133: Tyler Graff (W) maj. dec. Joseph Martinez, 21-9
141: Joe Spisak (VA) dec. Jess Thielke, 6-2
149: Gus Sako (VA) dec. T.J. Ruschell, 6-4
157: Isaac Jordan (W) dec. Blaise Butler, 8-1
165: Nick Sulzer (VA) tech fall Frank Cousins, 21-6
174: Steven Doty (VA) fins by forfeit (Brett or Dylan maybe have kept it close, take 2 from VA but Doty is tough)
184: Jackson Hein (W) dec. Jon Fausey, 3-1 (SV)
197: Timmy McCall (W) dec. Zach Nye, 6-4
285: Connor Medbery (W) dec. Ethan Hayes, 6-5 (expected bigger win out of CM, should have been +1 UW)
makes a quality win over #14 W 21 VA 15
Old Dominion 20 - Wisconsin 19
125: Ryan Taylor (W) dec. Brandon Jeske, 8-5
133: Tyler Graff (W) maj. dec. Scott Festejo, 18-7
141: Chris Mecate (ODU) maj. dec. Jess Thielke, 8-0 (Surprises me, JT is going to have to go to work and get his head right to move apss this, I think he will be ok but it is the first time he has had to deal with this in a none international meet)
149: Alexander Richardson (ODU) fall T.J. Ruschell, 4:43
157: Isaac Jordan (W) dec. Tristan Warner, 5-1
165: Ben Cox (W) dec. Devin Geoghegan, 8-1
174: Billy Curling (ODU) wins by forfeit (would have got a win here OD-6, W+3)
184: Jack Dechow (ODU) maj. dec. Jackson Hein, 13-5 (little bit of a surprise here for Jackson)
197: Timmy McCall (W) dec. Kevin Beazley, 7-6
285: Connor Medbery (W) dec. Matt Tourdot, 3-2 (expected more out of CM, W+1)
that would have made it W 23 OD 17, not good but an ok win
All this with a starting roster of 4 Fr; a So; 2 Jr; 3 Sr (one of which was hurt)
Guess what I am saying is it was not what we wanted the first road trip to be but can see this team in the future and getting in position for good wins and getting in the rankings for when it counts.
I noticed on Flo they are uploading matches from the Hokie duals..Taylor and Graff have matches up.
http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/251182-Hokie-Duals-2013/video/724124-125-lbs-Ryan-Taylor-Wisconsin-VS-Nick-Herrmann-UVA
Other than injuries, the only real discouraging results are Thielke's matches. I thought all the other guys did well and performed as expected or better. Jordan and Taylor proved they will be fun to watch for the next 4 years. Hopefully the injuries are not serious.
It will be curious going forward if this was just a bad weekend for Thielke or if this is truely where he is currently at as a folkstyle wrestler. The loses were not as concerning as how convincing the loses were. If Lubeck could still make 41, I would be curious to see if he could currently beat Thielke. I would assume it would be very close.
I hate FF! No excuses!
That said, I hope people here realize the badgers had two 165's and one 174 with on this road trip, and 2 of the 3 went down with injuries on Friday. Another starter injured in the final Sunday. The good news is the Badgers have enough depth in the room to fill all weights for this Friday at Whitewater.
Wisconsin 19 - Virginia 17 Badgers won 6 of the 9 matches wrestled
North Carolina 24 - Wisconsin 21 Badgers won 5 of 9 wrestled
Old Dominion 20 - Wisconsin 19 Badgers won 6 of 9 wrestled
Total = Badgers won 17 of 27
Anybody remember what the team dual record was a few years ago when the Badgers came home with 4th place from the B1Gs, and 4th place from the NCAA,s?
Who is the starter that got hurt on Sunday?
Hope none of the three are real serious. They're dropping fast.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on November 11, 2013, 06:44:10 PM
Old Dominion 20 - Wisconsin 19......
165: Ben Cox (W) dec. Devin Geoghegan, 8-1.........
285: Connor Medbery (W) dec. Matt Tourdot, 3-2 (expected more out of CM, W+1)
that would have made it W 23 OD 17, not good but an ok win
Ben did not wrestle Sunday. Frank wrestled all three times. All the websites are incorrect.
This was the result from a year ago
285 - Connor Medbery (UW) dec. Matt Tourdot (ODU), 11-7 ODU 19-12Matt is a Wisconsin boy from Sparta. He won his other two matches of the day and gave Conner a run for his money. Barring injury I expect to see Matt at NCAA's and win some matches this season.
Quote from: ankle pick on November 11, 2013, 08:50:28 PM
Hope none of the three are real serious. They're dropping fast.
Time will tell. My guess only; all three will miss some time, but none are season ending.
The good news is the Badgers have depth at all these weights.
I am super excited about this years team. On the other hand, when you raise the bar really high and don't meet those expectations, it is disapointing. I believe this weekend proves two things:
1. Every match matters in a dual meet. You need to put the wrestlers on the mat that give you the best chance of winning the dual. You can't take anything for granted. You can't put your second wrestler in at a weight thinking you have the "points" from other matches to win the dual. You need to put your best team forward. You can't "save" a wrestler thinking you have the dual in hand. If you do, you run the risk of losing a dual that you should have won. And yes - I am thinking about 125 against North Carolina. Taylor wrestled the dual before and the two after North Carolina. If the team was saving him because of injury, it doesn't make sense that he wrestled the two after North Carolina.
2. You need to bring an additional wrestler at every weight if you have them in the room. It does no good to bring two 165's and only one 174 on the trip if you have another wrestler who could fill those weights if both starters go down. In my opinion, every dual meet matters and every match in a dual meet matters. You have to set yourself up for the unexpected and be proactive and prepared. If the Badgers have someone available for Whitewater then that means they had someone they left behind that could have filled this role. I don't understand why a team wouldn't bring a back up for every weight if they had them on the roster. I think that bringing a back up is more important than sending them to an open tournament (as long as they are not redshirting). If the Badgers put someone on the mat that gave up only 5 points instead of 6 for the forfeit they would have at least tied against Old Dominion.
I know I am going to catch a lot of flack for these comments but it is frustrating seeing a team with such high expectations go down to two teams they should have beat.
With that being said, I am very encouraged by the results of the individual wrestlers. I think they have a TON of potential this year and in years to come. I just don't understand the thought process behind the two points I mentioned above. This is big time D1 college wrestling. Every match matters!
Bring on the comments..............................
I agree however I believe the coaches aren't too focused on winning a dual in VA vs getting for sure experience for back ups. They did bring 4-5 extras which is what they were allowed, if they could have brought more and chose not too vs the Lora's open then I think they made a mistake.
Quote from: howavi on November 11, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
the coaches aren't too focused on winning a dual in VA
Couldn't have said it better myself ;)
Quote from: howavi on November 11, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
They did bring 4-5 extras which is what they were allowed
Is there a limit?
Quote from: Harris on November 11, 2013, 10:11:54 PM
Quote from: howavi on November 11, 2013, 10:04:32 PM
They did bring 4-5 extras which is what they were allowed
Is there a limit?
I could be wrong but I thought I read that they were given five slots in the homie open. Then I'm sure it comes down to $$, Loras a lot closer than VA Tech, wish that wasn't an excuse.
Zeke's cradle is naaaaasty!
RT is looking tough as nails. Whats the deal with his hip?
Quote from: Harris on November 11, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
I am super excited about this years team. On the other hand, when you raise the bar really high and don't meet those expectations, it is disapointing. I believe this weekend proves two things:
1. Every match matters in a dual meet. You need to put the wrestlers on the mat that give you the best chance of winning the dual. You can't take anything for granted. You can't put your second wrestler in at a weight thinking you have the "points" from other matches to win the dual. You need to put your best team forward. You can't "save" a wrestler thinking you have the dual in hand. If you do, you run the risk of losing a dual that you should have won. And yes - I am thinking about 125 against North Carolina. Taylor wrestled the dual before and the two after North Carolina. If the team was saving him because of injury, it doesn't make sense that he wrestled the two after North Carolina.
2. You need to bring an additional wrestler at every weight if you have them in the room. It does no good to bring two 165's and only one 174 on the trip if you have another wrestler who could fill those weights if both starters go down. In my opinion, every dual meet matters and every match in a dual meet matters. You have to set yourself up for the unexpected and be proactive and prepared. If the Badgers have someone available for Whitewater then that means they had someone they left behind that could have filled this role. I don't understand why a team wouldn't bring a back up for every weight if they had them on the roster. I think that bringing a back up is more important than sending them to an open tournament (as long as they are not redshirting). If the Badgers put someone on the mat that gave up only 5 points instead of 6 for the forfeit they would have at least tied against Old Dominion.
I know I am going to catch a lot of flack for these comments but it is frustrating seeing a team with such high expectations go down to two teams they should have beat.
With that being said, I am very encouraged by the results of the individual wrestlers. I think they have a TON of potential this year and in years to come. I just don't understand the thought process behind the two points I mentioned above. This is big time D1 college wrestling. Every match matters!
Bring on the comments..............................
1. Still getting Taylor acclimated to the weight. I've said before - the weight is not easy for him right now, so additional time after weigh-ins is critical to try a few things weight-wise and see how his body reacts. I'm sure we'll see him wrestling after the hour weigh-in very soon.
2. I don't know the limit for meets outside the B1G, but you can only bring 15 (?) guys on those roadtrips. Considering this was a flying trip (again, only so many of these per year due to budget), we can not bring 2 at each weight. It's not feasible with our budget, and pretty sure it's not allowed (assuming the max travel roster is similar to the 15 for B1G meets).
And yes, every match does matter. It matters what you take away from it at this point in the season. As long as you wrestled hard, you have a good idea of where you are at, what you need to work on, and what adjustments you need to make to get better. The only matches that truly matter are in March - win them all there and you'll be happy versus winning them all at the VT Duals.
flo has many more matches up now. Thielke's match against Henderson and Spisak are both up. It appears he is giving up a lot of weight and strength. Hopefully he can put on some muscle as the year goes on.
Drew, you are correct. They were only allowed to bring 15 wrestlers as per the rules of the tournament.
Quote from: hammen on November 12, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
Quote from: Harris on November 11, 2013, 09:30:20 PM
I am super excited about this years team. On the other hand, when you raise the bar really high and don't meet those expectations, it is disapointing. I believe this weekend proves two things:
1. Every match matters in a dual meet. You need to put the wrestlers on the mat that give you the best chance of winning the dual. You can't take anything for granted. You can't put your second wrestler in at a weight thinking you have the "points" from other matches to win the dual. You need to put your best team forward. You can't "save" a wrestler thinking you have the dual in hand. If you do, you run the risk of losing a dual that you should have won. And yes - I am thinking about 125 against North Carolina. Taylor wrestled the dual before and the two after North Carolina. If the team was saving him because of injury, it doesn't make sense that he wrestled the two after North Carolina.
2. You need to bring an additional wrestler at every weight if you have them in the room. It does no good to bring two 165's and only one 174 on the trip if you have another wrestler who could fill those weights if both starters go down. In my opinion, every dual meet matters and every match in a dual meet matters. You have to set yourself up for the unexpected and be proactive and prepared. If the Badgers have someone available for Whitewater then that means they had someone they left behind that could have filled this role. I don't understand why a team wouldn't bring a back up for every weight if they had them on the roster. I think that bringing a back up is more important than sending them to an open tournament (as long as they are not redshirting). If the Badgers put someone on the mat that gave up only 5 points instead of 6 for the forfeit they would have at least tied against Old Dominion.
I know I am going to catch a lot of flack for these comments but it is frustrating seeing a team with such high expectations go down to two teams they should have beat.
With that being said, I am very encouraged by the results of the individual wrestlers. I think they have a TON of potential this year and in years to come. I just don't understand the thought process behind the two points I mentioned above. This is big time D1 college wrestling. Every match matters!
Bring on the comments..............................
1. Still getting Taylor acclimated to the weight. I've said before - the weight is not easy for him right now, so additional time after weigh-ins is critical to try a few things weight-wise and see how his body reacts. I'm sure we'll see him wrestling after the hour weigh-in very soon.
2. I don't know the limit for meets outside the B1G, but you can only bring 15 (?) guys on those roadtrips. Considering this was a flying trip (again, only so many of these per year due to budget), we can not bring 2 at each weight. It's not feasible with our budget, and pretty sure it's not allowed (assuming the max travel roster is similar to the 15 for B1G meets).
And yes, every match does matter. It matters what you take away from it at this point in the season. As long as you wrestled hard, you have a good idea of where you are at, what you need to work on, and what adjustments you need to make to get better. The only matches that truly matter are in March - win them all there and you'll be happy versus winning them all at the VT Duals.
1. Not sure I get this but I will take your word for it. Hasn't he been slotted to wrestle 125 since last year? I would think he would have had all year to get acclimated to that weight. I thought you (or someone else) said they held him out of this dual because of his hip. Which one is it?
2. Thanks for the clarification - makes a lot more sense now :)
As far as your comment that this is just to see where you are at and what you need to work on and the only matches that matter are in March - I don't buy it for a second. Tell that to teams like Penn State and Iowa. They expect to win them all. Tell that to a wrestler like Dake or Ramos. They want to win them all. We need to stop saying things don't matter and start wrestling like a top ten team IMO. "As long as you wrestled hard" is for a team that is trying to get to the top. I expect more from the Badgers this year. There is a big difference between effort and execution. At this level, I would expect all wrestlers to have effort - wrestling hard in your words. The difference between winning and losing is execution.
Thanks Drew!
Quote from: mkm13 on November 11, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Other than injuries, the only real discouraging results are Thielke's matches. I thought all the other guys did well and performed as expected or better. Jordan and Taylor proved they will be fun to watch for the next 4 years. Hopefully the injuries are not serious.
It will be curious going forward if this was just a bad weekend for Thielke or if this is truely where he is currently at as a folkstyle wrestler. The loses were not as concerning as how convincing the loses were. If Lubeck could still make 41, I would be curious to see if he could currently beat Thielke. I would assume it would be very close.
so you figured a freshman would go out and take out 3 ranked guys in a row? we all have high expectations for JT but this is the first weekend of his career and your already to pull him for Lubeck? Didn't Lubeck lose twice this weekend at an open against unranked guys? Are you telling me that guy from NC dominated JT? JT was up 4-1, lost a scramble to make it 4-4 going into the 2nd... then he got high, put himself in a bad position and a guy with a nasty cradle slapped a nasty cradle on him. He needs some work on the mat, both top and bottom and that was expected after wrestling Greco most of the last 2.5 years. Give him 6 weeks of action and then lets see where he is at
Not many wrestlers start their D1 career with 3 ranked opponents, in back to back matched in the same day. I hope those ready to jump off the bandwagon stay off ;D
The "As long as you wrestle hard" means a ton in terms of improvement. If you didn't wrestle your hardest out there, how do you know exactly what to improve on to get yourself a win the next time out?
Of course the goal is to win them all, if you're really stressed on winning every time out, you might not be improving yourself at a higher rate than if you focused on making adjustments and getting better each match. Winning will follow that focus. With the amount of young guys we have, you can't expect them to be both winning and executing against top ranked guys right now. If you do, I have a bridge I'll sell you real cheap. Once they work on their areas of improvement, these things will come. Might want to ask a guy like J Jaggers if winning in Nov - Feb matters.
i see you jaguar
huh? Where did I say I figured he would take out 3 ranked guys in a row? Where did I say I wanted to pull him for Lubeck? I don't think that should happen and I didn't expect him to win all 3. I will say I didn't expect him to lose by fall, 0-8, and 2-6.
Also, the guys Lubeck lost to were at 149. Not sure if he can even make 141, but he wrestled the weight pretty tough last year. I was just curious how that match would play out as Lubeck would have a big size advantage, similar to the size difference Thielke had to deal with this weekend. Combine the size difference with the fact that Thielke is still transitioning to folkstyle, and I think it would be a tight match...Lubeck is tough to score on.
I want Thielke to be successful as much as anyone, and I hope he is able to make quick adjustments throughout the year.
hammen, I have to ask as well
how is a person who knows they will be at 125 not ready to make their weight and wrestle from the word go?
I mean why not be acclimated to the weight from the 1st day of camp like everyone else is making their weight?
Am I wrong in my thinking that the plan for Taylor was him being the guy at 125 for four years.
Not likely if he is already having weight troubles. Is he moving up to 133 to replace Graff next year?
I was not disappointed in any individual match results really this past weekend but was quite disappointed that the team lost in two duals to teams that I would hope the Badgers would be able to dominate if they want to be at the top of the Big Ten.
Isn't is great that the season is finally here? ;D
Quote from: mkm13 on November 12, 2013, 09:00:38 AM
huh? Where did I say I figured he would take out 3 ranked guys in a row? Where did I say I wanted to pull him for Lubeck? I don't think that should happen and I didn't expect him to win all 3. I will say I didn't expect him to lose by fall, 0-8, and 2-6.
Also, the guys Lubeck lost to were at 149. Not sure if he can even make 141, but he wrestled the weight pretty tough last year. I was just curious how that match would play out as Lubeck would have a big size advantage, similar to the size difference Thielke had to deal with this weekend. Combine the size difference with the fact that Thielke is still transitioning to folkstyle, and I think it would be a tight match...Lubeck is tough to score on.
I want Thielke to be successful as much as anyone, and I hope he is able to make quick adjustments throughout the year.
you said you where discouraged by his results.... in the match he was pinned.... was that not a fairly close match? In the match he lost 6-2, did he not get in deep on 4-5 td's and lose the scrambles? I mean he wasn't getting destroyed in these matches he just came out on the wrong end of a few key situations. You didn't say pull him for Lubeck, you asked if he could make 141 and that it would be a close match... as if maybe it would be better if we had Lubeck at 141 as if he would have beat those guys this weekend. If you also noticed, the man who beat Lubeck in the "scrimmage" also lost all 3 matches this weekend and was pinned. Sorry, that is just how I read what you said.
Quote from: hammen on November 12, 2013, 08:51:46 AM
The "As long as you wrestle hard" means a ton in terms of improvement. If you didn't wrestle your hardest out there, how do you know exactly what to improve on to get yourself a win the next time out?
I would expect everyone at this level to always wrestle their hardest.
I'm not saying his weight is bad or anything, but he's not small. I don't think he has any weight "troubles", it's just probably not the best idea to have him out there after the 1 hour weigh in, as he might not be ready for that yet. Guys respond to weigh-ins a little differently, and maybe they're just making sure he is comfortable with that right now. Remember he was a redshirt and had 2 hour weigh-ins at opens last year. The 1 hour weigh-in is a huge difference, and really brutal IMO. You have to remember Taylor didn't really have a summer - he wasn't on the mat due to hip surgeries.
And I don't think it's reasonable to have Taylor at 125 all 4 years. 133 is likely in his future.
Ryan Taylor had 2 surgeries since last season, one on each hip. Original prognosis was he would not be ready to wrestle 'till after xmas. Because Ryan won't take no for an answer, he is back 2 months early. The same attitude that got him back 2 months ahead of schedule is what makes him successful on days like Sunday beating guys that on paper he should have lost to. Ryan only knows one speed - full throttle! And we get him for four years!
I trust those holding him out of some competitions have the long term plan under control.
I think the enthusiasm on here is great. Almost always there is more to the story.
I believe Henderson was up 9-4 before Thielke got put in the cradle and pinned. I guess you could call that fairly close. Thielke wrestled very well in the 1st period.
Yes, I would be curious to see how Lubeck would do against Thielke if he could make 141 right now. Not saying he would win or would want him to win..just curious. I want Thielke to be the guy at 141. I just think the strength disadvantage he is dealing with now at 141 is making things difficult. I think if Thielke would be at 133 right now (IMO his ideal weight), he would easily be a top 10 guy right now...even with limited time to transition to folkstyle..with the potential for much more by the end of the year.
Quote from: mkm13 on November 12, 2013, 09:29:11 AM
I believe Henderson was up 9-4 before Thielke got put in the cradle and pinned. I guess you could call that fairly close. Thielke wrestled very well in the 1st period.
Yes, I would be curious to see how Lubeck would do against Thielke if he could make 141 right now. Not saying he would win or would want him to win. I want Thielke to be the guy at 141. I just think the strength disadvantage he is dealing with now at 141 is making things difficult. I think if Thielke would be at 133 right not (IMO his ideal weight), he would easily be a top 10 guy right now...even with limited time to transition to folkstyle..with the potential for much more by the end of the year.
Seriously?
That was an overstatement, but I believe he would be more deserving of the ranking he had at 141.
Quote from: mkm13 on November 12, 2013, 09:29:11 AM
I believe Henderson was up 9-4 before Thielke got put in the cradle and pinned. I guess you could call that fairly close. Thielke wrestled very well in the 1st period.
Yes, I would be curious to see how Lubeck would do against Thielke if he could make 141 right now. Not saying he would win or would want him to win..just curious. I want Thielke to be the guy at 141. I just think the strength disadvantage he is dealing with now at 141 is making things difficult. I think if Thielke would be at 133 right now (IMO his ideal weight), he would easily be a top 10 guy right now...even with limited time to transition to folkstyle..with the potential for much more by the end of the year.
as I said, 4-4 going into the 2nd, got high and put himself in a bad position giving up 5 points with a mistake... because mistakes at tis level against top 5 guys are rewarded with punishment... a lesson you learn as the new guy.
every big time recruit needs to learn mat wrestling, because in HS they where never challenged in the mat, they never wrestled guys as good as them or better, they never needed to get out, never in danger of being turned, never had to scramble for every td, never had to ride... all stuff you learn at the next level. I guarantee by mid season he will look like a different wrestler.
Oh how the times have changed!! I love that we are arguing about our #9 ranked kid getting pinned by the #5 kid in the country and what that means for his season!
Sure beats talking about Firing Barry ;D
It's going to be a fun season and the future is extremely bright for all involved. Jesse will be FINE, I'd pay money to see him wrestle Henderson come the end of the season!
Quote from: BuckyMatt on November 12, 2013, 10:07:30 AM
Jesse will be FINE, I'd pay money to see him wrestle Henderson come the end of the season!
So you're saying you are heading to NCAAs this year ;D
Quote from: BuckyMatt on November 12, 2013, 10:07:30 AM
Oh how the times have changed!! I love that we are arguing about our #9 ranked kid getting pinned by the #5 kid in the country and what that means for his season!
Exactly. Let's all pause for a second and be thankful we are talking about how the guys can get to the elite level, instead of talking about how the team needs to find guys who can just be competitive.
This weekend was an unique situation. Five duals and an open tournament in the span of three days, and all on one trip with a limited number of wrestlers making the trip. Now add in the factor of some guys getting hurt, and you have an even more difficult situation to manage. To some these are excuses, however they are real factors of the situation this past weekend. Sure I would like to have seen UW win all of the dual meets. I think under different/normal circumstances they probably would have won all three. Nevertheless I recognize the many positives that can be gleaned from the first weekend of wrestling:
Taylor is the real deal. Many thought so, but he wasn't up at the varsity level last year to make sure. I hope his hips don't give him issues as the season moves on.
Graff......business as usual 8)
JT had a tough draw of wrestlers out of the gate. I just have a feeling these might be the last L's we'll be seeing from JT maybe until Midlands.
TJR is a good wrestler. Remember he is young as well. He needs to Keep his head up and keep improving like Hammen said, and he'll be fine.
Zeke....he's already right there knocking on the door of elite, and he's only a RSFr.
Hein we know is a stud.
McCall will be interesting to watch. The talent is evident. I imagine he'll lose a few he shouldn't, but I expect him to win quite a few as well.
Medberry is a stud.
Scotty L is solid as we already knew.
The other weights I think are decent as well. The key for the couple of other weights will be to keep improving, and if there is a huge mismatch, try to minimize the bonus points for the other team.
In all I don't think there is anything that happened this weekend which is making me feel any different then how I felt a month ago as far as high expectations for the team.
Go Badgers!!
I sure hope your right about JT not having any more L's before midlands but he will have a few challenges before that tournament in Lazor from UNI currently ranked 13th and most likely Ugi from the Citadel ranked 5th when Wisconsin is at the Navy Classic. I also think JT will be just fine as the year goes on.
Did they grant Ugi another year? I remember reading something about him losing a year due to "accepting" $ while on his country's national team. Would be great if they did get him another year, he is really fun to watch.
maybe you are right as I see he wrestled Unnatached at Hokie Open
141: Ugi Khishignyam
I really thought JT would have done better. I was shocked when I read the results. I hope it gets better.
Any predictions for the Whitewater or Parkside match?
Will both of these be pretty lopsided?
I likes Gut's break down.
As for Friday - I think we are in the upper 40's low 50's for both and would be surprised if we give up 3 points in either.
125 cannot be easy to make no matter how much plan and work is put in. RT will be just fine.
As for JT - He is learn and be ok, I think by tourney time he will be in the thick of things. I had said before he would AA this year. After this weekend, he has a LOT of work to get himself in that position. He is a great wrestler who has to get his head right and the rest will come.
this will be an interesting season with American, Navy, NIU, IL and then a weak MSU team. I like the schedule. There is plenty of challenges and hopefully the right amount of rest.
Go Badgers!!!
Quote from: dad 2 5 on November 12, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
I likes Gut's break down.
As for Friday - I think we are in the upper 40's low 50's for both and would be surprised if we give up 3 points in either.
125 cannot be easy to make no matter how much plan and work is put in. RT will be just fine.
As for JT - He is learn and be ok, I think by tourney time he will be in the thick of things. I had said before he would AA this year. After this weekend, he has a LOT of work to get himself in that position. He is a great wrestler who has to get his head right and the rest will come.
this will be an interesting season with American, Navy, NIU, IL and then a weak MSU team. I like the schedule. There is plenty of challenges and hopefully the right amount of rest.
Go Badgers!!!
I don't think the Badgers will be challenged in the dual score with Parkside but I think Davion Willis wins the bout at 197 and Parkside could win matches at 125 and 165.....
I watched Thielke's matches as well as a few others. Thielke needs to work on bottom. Most freshman struggle with two things. 1. Getting out on bottom. 2. Not being physically strong enough.
Thielke clearly struggles with both, but very pronounced is his struggling on bottom. I suppose he was never taken down in high school so he never had to learn mat wrestling. But these three guys were
able to put their "boot" in whenever they wanted and pounded on him something terrible. I lost 8-0 to a University of Iowa kid back before internet was invented and don't remember being rode like that.
I do remember telling myself that I would need two full years of extreme working out before I might be ready for a rematch though. A guy named Rock
was on my college team my freshman year and I was just amazed at how strong he was so I worked the weights extremely hard to become a muscle head too. Look at the University of
Minnesota's upper weight guys and clearly those guys have done some serious working out.
Thielke needs some coaching on hand control as that is the key to getting out on bottom and that is not remotely happening at this time.
Thielke will definitely struggle for awhile unless he can prevent from being taken down again this year. I hope in 4 months Thielke goes against one of these very tough ranked guys that
took it to Thielke this weekend so we can see the huge improvement I expect him to make. Clearly those three guys Thielke went against were Dang tough so a great eye opener for what to work
on. Overall though the Badgers are in good shape for the future as there are several very good freshman that should have promising careers ahead of them but some people are being unrealistic
on their expectations for this year since Graff is the only true national title threat.
Quote from: Harris on November 10, 2013, 02:12:12 PM
Tough to forfeit a weight.
Jesse will have a long flight back to Mad Town.
I think there were some of us, myself and Scourge that mentioned JT will have high expectations but there will be growth from the season especially coming from Greco just before the season. He'll be fine and hopefully people weren't expecting him to go undefeated with 4 national championships. I think Jesse probably set that goal but I didn't expect it.
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Quote from: dad 2 5 on November 12, 2013, 04:14:58 PM
I likes Gut's break down.
As for Friday - I think we are in the upper 40's low 50's for both and would be surprised if we give up 3 points in either.
125 cannot be easy to make no matter how much plan and work is put in. RT will be just fine.
As for JT - He is learn and be ok, I think by tourney time he will be in the thick of things. I had said before he would AA this year. After this weekend, he has a LOT of work to get himself in that position. He is a great wrestler who has to get his head right and the rest will come.
this will be an interesting season with American, Navy, NIU, IL and then a weak MSU team. I like the schedule. There is plenty of challenges and hopefully the right amount of rest.
Go Badgers!!!
I don't think the Badgers will be challenged in the dual score with Parkside but I think Davion Willis wins the bout at 197 and Parkside could win matches at 125 and 165.....
I don't want to sound cocky, but RT wins at 125#.
I agree I think ryan does work.