Just wondering ;D
Coach B, Do you have inside info you can share with us?
125 Ryan Taylor
133 Jesse Thielke
141 Gabe Grahek
149 Rylan Lubeck
157 IDK
165 Issac Jordan
174 IDK
184 Ricky Robertson
197 Timmy McCall
285 Conner Medberry
Quote from: Ghetto on June 11, 2014, 12:55:08 PM
125 Ryan Taylor
133 Jesse Thielke
141 Gabe Grahek
149 Rylan Lubeck
157 IDK
165 Issac Jordan
174 IDK
184 Ricky Robertson
197 Timmy McCall
285 Conner Medberry
Heck, with that line up, we might not even need anybody at 57 or 74 ;)
Maybe Crone at 149 and Lubeck moves to 157.
we don't see Jordan at 157? didn't know he was too big for 157
if he is moving up, why not bulk up Ruschell if Lubeck can make 149?
Crone can't make 141? Seems like the best fit if he can... I know he wrestled both 41 and 49 last year.
Anyway Ruschel or Lubeck make 141? Lubeck pretty stacked at 149 so I imagine he can't
How about Liegel at 157? wrestled 165 but is able to make 157? Or maybe he bulks up to 174?
If Taylor can't make 125, now would be the time to hit the weights... if he really can't make 125 he must be upper 130's already so I don't see 141 as a huge step.
Lubeck had success at 149 lbs. Jordan had success at 157 lbs. It would make little sense to move them
around as I did not get the impression that either were too big for their competition.
Dieringer was a guy that was significantly bigger than his competition. He needs to move up.
I think Seth Liegel makes the varsity lineup this year.
125 Ryan Taylor
133 Jesse Thielke
141
149
157
165 Issac Jordan
174
184 Ricky Robertson
197 Timmy McCall
285 Conner Medberry
Above are rock solid unless something unforeseen.............. we all know unforeseen never happens
what about Donar, wasn't he around 157?
BadgerJohn,
If those weights are rock solid and Jordan has already committed to being at 165, can you put in the projected lineup?
I have to assume Lubeck is also pretty rock solid in the lineup, with Crone, Liegel, Grahek, and Ruschell being some of the guys
that have reasonable chances for making the varsity lineup.
125 Ryan Taylor
133 Jesse Thielke
141
149
157
165 Issac Jordan
174
184 Ricky Robertson
197 Timmy McCall
285 Conner Medberry
125: Taylor (so)
133: Thielke (so)
141: Crone (F)
149: Lubeck (so) or Ruschel (So)
157: Weber (F) or Liegal (F)
165: Jordan (so)
174: Stilling (F)
184: Robinson (F)
197: McCall (se)
Hwy: Medbery (J)
red shirt: Christian (74/84); Jimenez (25); Scharenbrock (57); Schmidt (H); Lantz (33); Rowth (41)
Still a very young team next year
Quote from: Goat Roper on June 12, 2014, 05:30:48 PM
With Bo Jordan projected at 165# I say Issac goes 157#,.
Zeke at 165 ..... bank it
Quote from: billymurphy on June 12, 2014, 09:20:21 AM
BadgerJohn,
If those weights are rock solid and Jordan has already committed to being at 165, can you put in the projected lineup?
I have to assume Lubeck is also pretty rock solid in the lineup, with Crone, Liegel, Grahek, and Ruschell being some of the guys
that have reasonable chances for making the varsity lineup.
125 Ryan Taylor
133 Jesse Thielke
141
149
157
165 Issac Jordan
174
184 Ricky Robertson
197 Timmy McCall
285 Conner Medberry
I would be glad to fill in the gaps if I knew. I don't.
The steak fry is coming up about 5 weeks. Most all the coaches and team will be there to answer any and all.
My guess you could find 10 or 12 guys that all say they will have one of those 4 spots. ;)
If Jordan is at 165, I would project/guess
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek
149 Lubeck
157 Ruschell, Liegel - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 12, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
If Jordan is at 165, I would project/guess
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek
149 Lubeck
157 Ruschell, Liegel - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Liegal will not see 157 or 165, I heard he is really putting on the muscle.
Quote from: leg turk on June 13, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 12, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
If Jordan is at 165, I would project/guess
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek
149 Lubeck
157 Ruschell, Liegel - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Liegal will not see 157 or 165, I heard he is really putting on the muscle.
Donar will be in the mix at 157
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 12, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
125: Taylor (so)
133: Thielke (so)
141: Crone (F)
149: Lubeck (so) or Ruschel (So)
157: Weber (F) or Liegal (F)
165: Jordan (so)
174: Stilling (F)
184: Robinson (F)
197: McCall (se)
Hwy: Medbery (J)
red shirt: Christian (74/84); Jimenez (25); Scharenbrock (57); Schmidt (H); Lantz (33); Rowth (41)
Still a very young team next year
Indeed, it is young. I hadn't really thought about it until I see in writing. Very young and unproven in NCAA competition, for the most part.
Quote from: badgerjohn on June 13, 2014, 08:07:12 AM
Quote from: leg turk on June 13, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 12, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
If Jordan is at 165, I would project/guess
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek
149 Lubeck
157 Ruschell, Liegel - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Liegal will not see 157 or 165, I heard he is really putting on the muscle.
Donar will be in the mix at 157
Kalvin York also at 149/157
Quote from: npope on June 13, 2014, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 12, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
125: Taylor (so)
133: Thielke (so)
141: Crone (F)
149: Lubeck (so) or Ruschel (So)
157: Weber (F) or Liegal (F)
165: Jordan (so)
174: Stilling (F)
184: Robinson (F)
197: McCall (se)
Hwy: Medbery (J)
red shirt: Christian (74/84); Jimenez (25); Scharenbrock (57); Schmidt (H); Lantz (33); Rowth (41)
Still a very young team next year
Indeed, it is young. I hadn't really thought about it until I see in writing. Very young and unproven in NCAA competition, for the most part.
At least we have the ability to let some of our new recruits mature, instead of throwing them into the lineup prematurely.
Would be shocked to see Crone at 41.looks to big and rock solid
Thus, based on what we know, I will take a stab at the projected lineup.
125: Taylor (so)
133: Thielke (so)
141: Grahek(F)
149: Lubeck (so) - solid backup- Crone (F)
157: Ruschell (So) - Donor and York being backups
165: Jordan (so)
174: Liegel (F) - backup is Stilling (F)
184: Robinson (F)
197: McCall (se)
Hwy: Medbery (J)
these line up look pretty solid with a chance to have everyone qualify for NCAA with some guys getting point there too. Plus there are a a couple guys in the wings that will add to thinks the year after.
The team is very young. That much is certain.
I agree with the team being young, but they have experience. Losing only 3 seniors (Graff,Liegel & Hein) I think the team could finish strong this upcoming season. Top 5 in the Big 10 would be an accomplishment.
I would say a very solid dual meet team and good overall team depth.
But, not as good in a tournament setting. Jordan would have to
be a Big Ten champion and a few other guys finish as high placers for
the Badgers to finish top 5 in the Big Ten.
I have to think Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, and Ohio State
are a lock for top four.
The Badgers will have to top Nebraska, Northwestern, Michigan and Illinois
to take 5th. It would take a total team effort but it could happen.
Quote from: billymurphy on June 17, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
I have to think Penn State, Iowa, Minnesota, and Ohio State
are a lock for top four.
When are the Badgers ever going to turn the corner, and place in the top 2 or 3? Or is that just a pipe dream?
Lets hope there were major inroads made in recruit by having the WWT here and the RTC set up. That is the next step now, begin to recruit the very top guys.
Maryland & Rutgers are coming into the confrence this year?
Liegel will be at 165 and from what I was told Jordan said that he was done growing and he'll be at 157
Then we are back to the original projected lineup. I find it more plausible that Jordan will stay at 157 and Lubeck at 149 and that Crone no longer can make 141 lbs.
Darn nice if the Badgers could all their best guys in the lineup. Lubeck was the only Wisconsin guy on the team last year that scored any points at nationals so I just do
not see Crone beating out Lubeck at 149. The the Badgers Blue Chip Recruit
Ryan Christensen will find his way into the starting lineup, but likely redshirts this season.
125 Taylor -sophomore
133 Thielke- sophomore
141 Grahek
149 Lubeck- sophomore
157 Jordan - sophomore
165 Liegel
174 Stilling
184 Robertson- redshirt freshman
197 McCall - senior
Hwt Medbery- Junior
Billy, no disrespect intended but how do you find your way into the line up AND redshirt?
Quote from: MNbadger on June 22, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
Billy, no disrespect intended but how do you find your way into the line up AND redshirt?
That means that a wrestler has redshirted and has the athletic status of a freshman (or sophomore, etc.). Most of the current Badgers have redshirted their freshman year - and all of the guys on the most recent lineup list have redshirted (I believe). That said, the lineup, with their respective athletic standing attached, is:
125 Taylor - sophomore
133 Thielke - sophomore
141 Grahek - freshman
149 Lubeck - sophomore
157 Jordan - sophomore
165 Liegel - freshman
174 Stilling - freshman
184 Robertson - freshman
197 McCall - senior
Hwt Medbery - junior
I gotta tell you, that young line up will not strike fear into the hearts of any Big Ten team; simply too many unproven and unknown guys. If they can win half of their Big Ten duals and finish in the top 15 at the NCAA then Davis would get my vote for coach of the year.
Also, York was listed as a RS senior last year. I believe that would mean that he is done, right?
No York got a medical redshirt last season
Ryan Christensen is a prime candidate to take over McCall's spot next year and be a four year starter, but will redshirt this year is how I see it.
Nat, I am well aware of what a red shirt year is. My question was that Billy had Christenen making the line up AND red shirting which is impossible.
"Ryan Christensen will find his way into the starting lineup, but likely redshirts this season. "
Quote from: MNbadger on June 22, 2014, 09:47:58 PM
Nat, I am well aware of what a red shirt year is. My question was that Billy had Christenen making the line up AND red shirting which is impossible.
"Ryan Christensen will find his way into the starting lineup, but likely redshirts this season. "
Ahhh, misread the original content. Sorry.
Quote from: npope on June 22, 2014, 01:39:01 PM
Quote from: MNbadger on June 22, 2014, 12:43:40 PM
Billy, no disrespect intended but how do you find your way into the line up AND redshirt?
That means that a wrestler has redshirted and has the athletic status of a freshman (or sophomore, etc.). Most of the current Badgers have redshirted their freshman year - and all of the guys on the most recent lineup list have redshirted (I believe). That said, the lineup, with their respective athletic standing attached, is:
125 Taylor - sophomore
133 Thielke - sophomore
141 Grahek - freshman
149 Lubeck - sophomore
157 Jordan - sophomore
165 Liegel - freshman
174 Stilling - freshman
184 Robertson - freshman
197 McCall - senior
Hwt Medbery - junior
I gotta tell you, that young line up will not strike fear into the hearts of any Big Ten team; simply too many unproven and unknown guys. If they can win half of their Big Ten duals and finish in the top 15 at the NCAA then Davis would get my vote for coach of the year.
Also, York was listed as a RS senior last year. I believe that would mean that he is done, right?
Looking at that line up is pretty hope-filled.
Taylor - good for a win most days
Thielke - improved all year and will be tough most night. Going to 33 will make him even more of a force.
Grahek - not sure what the team will get out of him the first year but there will be some wins
Lubeck - good for wins, over half his matches and be in most. He could be one to surprise people and get some wins
Jordan at 57 is good for wins and bonus points most days
Liegel will scrap hard and have some win and some close ones
Stilling too could surprise some and get a few more wins than would be expected for a freshmen
Robertson will be above average and could move to good and great quickly. He is tough
McCall will get some wins and could get more if he keeps his head focused on the task at hand
Medbery I hope he returns with some angry focus and aggressiveness that moves a bunch of the L into W's
It will come down to match-ups and I think we will match up pretty good in duals and be a solid B1G team and NCAA team. I would hope for a top 7 in the B1G and top 15 in the NCAA's
Could york be 65 or even 74?
Zeke will be 165, and Liegel will be 174, and Barry Davis will be coach of the year.
Quote from: leg turk on June 24, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
Zeke will be 165, and Liegel will be 174, and Barry Davis will be coach of the year.
You might get 2 out of the 3 right.
Here is my updated projection:
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek, Lubeck?
149 Lubeck, Crone
157 Ruschell, Donar
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Liegel, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
If Crone cannot beat Lubeck, I would be surprised if he does not try 141. Crone wrestled 145.5 in May, I bet he can make 141.
I also wonder if Lubeck can go 141; he did not this year perhaps because Thielke was at 141. Grahek wrestled at 138.5 this spring also.
If Jordan wrestles 165, it certainly opens up a few opportunities between 141 - 157 - I certainly like our growing depth chart !!
Not sure who survives the Battle Royale at 174...
It will be interesting where Zeke ends up. I have not talked to him but a couple guys on the team said he was going 65 which from a team stand point makes a lot of sense. If he goes 57 it is better for him.
I could see Jordan do something similar to what Graff did. Start the year at 165 and then come tournament time go 157. 165 is going to be a tough weight class without Jordan as it is. If this is true, can't wait to see a potential Jordan vs Jordan match!
Quote from: Jimmy on June 23, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Could york be 65 or even 74?
Bugenhagen (sp?) went from 184 to HWY in one off season. 8)
My memory is suspect, and I have not looked it up (yet), but I think York played football about 175 or so, and that's where he started the wrestling season his last 2 years of high school, then wrestled his way down to the 140ish range.
I still say Lubeck can and might go 41.
Quote from: charteroak1 on June 24, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
I could see Jordan do something similar to what Graff did. Start the year at 165 and then come tournament time go 157. 165 is going to be a tough weight class without Jordan as it is. If this is true, can't wait to see a potential Jordan vs Jordan match!
Graff had every intention of staying at 141 for the full year. After wrestling some of the better 141 competition at Cliff Keen Vegas the first week of December, plans changed. Graff just did not have the length and height to compete with the best at 141 even with body fat of next to nothing. Zeke is not undersized for 165 if he spends the off season adjusting.
Drew Hammen would know the story far better than me, but
if I remember correctly, James Barker from Neenah, WI
came to the Badgers and the program listed him at either/or
165/174 and I think he finished one season with the Badgers and
by the time summer was over he had visibly become a very big heavyweight.
However, he retired from wrestling well
before the season began as he must have decided not to give it a go at heavyweight.
Quote from: billymurphy on June 24, 2014, 05:30:55 PM
Drew Hammen would know the story far better than me, but
if I remember correctly, James Barker from Neenah, WI
came to the Badgers and the program listed him at either/or
165/174 and I think he finished one season with the Badgers and
by the time summer was over he had visibly become a very big heavyweight.
However, he retired from wrestling well
before the season began as he must have decided not to give it a go at heavyweight.
James was a guy who could let his body get heavier based on his build. I'm not sure how big he got though. Rutt was the same way, and was typically 205+ in the offseason when he was 184. Graff was never more than 145 pretty much throughout his career, which is right around where I was in the summer of my last year. I remember the summer before Bugenhagen started at 184, he came in around 215 I want to say, and everyone was like "what the heck!" He was quite the physical monster. Zeke has the frame to easily move up if he wants to. I'm sure the decision to do so or not was made before the semester was over, so his summer training can be tailored to whatever his wrestling weight will be. We've all seen the successes of guys wrestling up, and with Zeke's proven abilities it may be an edge on the competition to be focusing on staying strong and wrestling versus spending time and energy to manage weight.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 24, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
It will be interesting where Zeke ends up. I have not talked to him but a couple guys on the team said he was going 65 which from a team stand point makes a lot of sense. If he goes 57 it is better for him.
With the way scoring is now and the importance on AA's and placing high you have to let your best wrestlers pick their best weight and go from there. Zeke should pick his best weight (maybe that is 165 this year?), and the rest can fill in. I am not sure him being at 65 makes the team much better than him being at 57. I think Liegel at 165 would perform similar to how Ruschell/York would perform at 157.
Updated Projection - Liegel and York at 157
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Crone, Grahek, Lubeck?
149 Lubeck, Ruschell, Crone
157 Ruschell, Liegel, York, Donar - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
There will some big time battles to get the starters at 141, 149, and 157. It will be interesting if the veterans can hold off Stilling at 174. Can Crone, Grahek, or Liegel crack the lineup? All three have shown great potential over the last year.
There are some names that have been left out of the mix, because we assume they will redshirt. Don't count those guys out; one of them will probably surprise us by cracking the lineup.
Liegel will not be at 157.
Quote from: Black Cloud on June 25, 2014, 10:41:06 AM
Liegel will not be at 157.
Actually I think he will be..
Seems to be full agreement on Hwy = Medberry; 97 = McCall; 84 = Robertson; 33 = Thielke and a majority that 25 = Taylor. SO ;)we :) have half the line up set.
In question 41; 49; 57; 65; 74.
I am convince Jordan is at 65 because of who I heard it from, but that does not mean I will be right.
So that would leave battles at 41;49;57;74.
41 Crone wrestle off vs Grahek (Crone won 4-0 last year at one meet)
49 Lubeck ended up the starter but Ruschell had the better record
57 could it be Donar vs Weber? or is it Liegel who had a 20-4 redshirt record or Ruschell move up.
74 Stilling with a great redshirt record of 19-6 but could Iczy drop down and be strong there?
Pretty exciting looking forward to the battles and the season!!!
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 26, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Seems to be full agreement on Hwy = Medberry; 97 = McCall; 84 = Robertson; 33 = Thielke and a majority that 25 = Taylor. SO ;)we :) have half the line up set.
In question 41; 49; 57; 65; 74.
I am convince Jordan is at 65 because of who I heard it from, but that does not mean I will be right.
So that would leave battles at 41;49;57;74.
41 Crone wrestle off vs Grahek (Crone won 4-0 last year at one meet)
49 Lubeck ended up the starter but Ruschell had the better record
57 could it be Donar vs Weber? or is it Liegel who had a 20-4 redshirt record or Ruschell move up.
74 Stilling with a great redshirt record of 19-6 but could Iczy drop down and be strong there?
Pretty exciting looking forward to the battles and the season!!!
Great run down! Thanks!
Hope you guys get a clearer picture of the team and see what weights guys are "for sure going to be at. Wish I could come out but can't make it. Taylor can make 25 another year right?
That is sort of a fulcrum for this team. Glad you asked, Dad.
I have heard that Taylor has no problem making 125.
Updated Projection:
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Lubeck, Crone, Grahek
149 Ruschell, Crone, York - Tossup
157 Liegel, Donar, Weber - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on August 02, 2014, 09:05:57 AM
Updated Projection:
125 Taylor, Cavallaris
133 Thielke, Grahek
141 Lubeck, Crone, Grahek
149 Ruschell, Crone, York - Tossup
157 Liegel, Donar, Weber - Tossup
165 Jordan
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox - Tossup
184 Robertson
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath
Looks pretty accurate to me. Pretty sure Lubeck will be 141. Didn't I hear from somewhere that Liegel is recovering from surgery and won't be available early in the season?
thought I heard that too and Donar still recovering too but the upside is the roster is filling in much better then it was and we seem to continue to take steps forward. Maybe not as big of steps as we would like to see but still steps forward.
I feel like everyone sees this upcoming season as a down year, but that's not how i've got it. I like our lineup and here's why:
125 RT- Other than Delgado he can beat anyone, Middle to High AA finish if weight is under control
133 Thielke- Weight class cleared out and Jesse improved tremendously at end of year. Low AA to Rd 12 finish likely with upside.
141 Lubeck- Seriously? Best thing i heard all summer, tough weight but big and strong enough to do damage, he'll be there Friday night trying to place.
149 Ruschell/ Crone- Either or, qualifier and chance to win a couple at nationals
157 ?- Biggest hole on the team if Zeke is done cutting
165 Zeke - The anchor, guy we count on and can do as good as 2nd. Sorry Dieringer is too good.
174 Stilling - Improved a bunch, but weight is tough and will be happy with a qualifier here.
184 Mr. Robertson - The guy no one is talking about on the national forums but may be the best wrestler in the weight. Can he beat Gabe Dean in folkstyle? TBD. Can he beat everyone else? In my opinion yes
197 Timmy - Just keeps getting better, all talent just needs to iron out the small things. Will be there on Friday looking to place.
285 Medberry - Been flirting with it for two years, now it finally happens. Not gonna say he's the champ but anything outside the top 5 would be a shock.
4 AA's and 8-9 qualifiers is not a bad year Badger fans, the future looks bright.
Quote from: GoodGod on August 07, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
I feel like everyone sees this upcoming season as a down year, but that's not how i've got it. I like our lineup and here's why:
125 RT- Other than Delgado he can beat anyone, Middle to High AA finish if weight is under control
133 Thielke- Weight class cleared out and Jesse improved tremendously at end of year. Low AA to Rd 12 finish likely with upside.
141 Lubeck- Seriously? Best thing i heard all summer, tough weight but big and strong enough to do damage, he'll be there Friday night trying to place.
149 Ruschell/ Crone- Either or, qualifier and chance to win a couple at nationals
157 ?- Biggest hole on the team if Zeke is done cutting
165 Zeke - The anchor, guy we count on and can do as good as 2nd. Sorry Dieringer is too good.
174 Stilling - Improved a bunch, but weight is tough and will be happy with a qualifier here.
184 Mr. Robertson - The guy no one is talking about on the national forums but may be the best wrestler in the weight. Can he beat Gabe Dean in folkstyle? TBD. Can he beat everyone else? In my opinion yes
197 Timmy - Just keeps getting better, all talent just needs to iron out the small things. Will be there on Friday looking to place.
285 Medberry - Been flirting with it for two years, now it finally happens. Not gonna say he's the champ but anything outside the top 5 would be a shock.
4 AA's and 8-9 qualifiers is not a bad year Badger fans, the future looks bright.
I think you have just described the very best possible scenario.
Quote from: npope on August 08, 2014, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: GoodGod on August 07, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
I feel like everyone sees this upcoming season as a down year, but that's not how i've got it. I like our lineup and here's why:
125 RT- Other than Delgado he can beat anyone, Middle to High AA finish if weight is under control
133 Thielke- Weight class cleared out and Jesse improved tremendously at end of year. Low AA to Rd 12 finish likely with upside.
141 Lubeck- Seriously? Best thing i heard all summer, tough weight but big and strong enough to do damage, he'll be there Friday night trying to place.
149 Ruschell/ Crone- Either or, qualifier and chance to win a couple at nationals
157 ?- Biggest hole on the team if Zeke is done cutting
165 Zeke - The anchor, guy we count on and can do as good as 2nd. Sorry Dieringer is too good.
174 Stilling - Improved a bunch, but weight is tough and will be happy with a qualifier here.
184 Mr. Robertson - The guy no one is talking about on the national forums but may be the best wrestler in the weight. Can he beat Gabe Dean in folkstyle? TBD. Can he beat everyone else? In my opinion yes
197 Timmy - Just keeps getting better, all talent just needs to iron out the small things. Will be there on Friday looking to place.
285 Medberry - Been flirting with it for two years, now it finally happens. Not gonna say he's the champ but anything outside the top 5 would be a shock.
4 AA's and 8-9 qualifiers is not a bad year Badger fans, the future looks bright.
I think you have just described the very best possible scenario.
That could be true but I would like to see it play out that way. I like the direction the team is going.
who are you most looking forward to seeing this year? For me it is Robertson. I think he could have a very good freshmen (redshirt Freshmen) year. Hoping for an 17 plus win season from him.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on August 18, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
who are you most looking forward to seeing this year? For me it is Robertson. I think he could have a very good freshmen (redshirt Freshmen) year. Hoping for an 17 plus win season from him.
Agreed, I think he's going to knock off some big name guys!
According to flo, Jordan will be moving up to 165:
http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/251632-Preachin-With-CP/video/750241-Weight-Changes-Transfers-and-More#.U_5tM2d0yDF
Will be interesting to see how he does at 165. It appears the weight will be a lot deeper this year with Taylor being gone.
It will be interesting to see who ends up at 157 and 174. Hope a couple guys step up.
http://www.d1collegewrestling.net/Teams_Wisconsin.html
Quote from: badgerjohn on September 05, 2014, 01:04:01 PM
http://www.d1collegewrestling.net/Teams_Wisconsin.html
Where is Donar?
44 days until the scrimmage red vs white! ;D
Quote from: leg turk on September 17, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
44 days until the scrimmage red vs white! ;D
not... 42 days 9hrs...... ;D
October 29th Wednesday ..... got changed from Halloween day
Sounds good......... will we be voting on facebook again on where we want the weights to end at?
Looks like the UW website has updated the rosters for this year, which includes all the new freshman.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/wis-m-wrestl-mtt.html
They also have a "Meet the Freshman" article on Ryan Christensen.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/091814aaa.html
I see that Thielke is at 141, Lubeck is at 149 and Jordan is at 165 lbs per what is listed on the website. I thought, Thielke and Lubeck were going down one weight?
Who cares what they are listed at??All that matters is where they are at when they step onto the mat!!!Some people read way too much into things sometimes!! :(
Maybe they ate too much pizza this summer? ;D
Quote from: afnjms on September 19, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
I see that Thielke is at 141, Lubeck is at 149 and Jordan is at 165 lbs per what is listed on the website. I thought, Thielke and Lubeck were going down one weight?
If Lubeck does not go down a weight, I find it interesting that Crone is listed at 141. Have Grahek @ 141 as well.
Don't rule out Scharenbrock at 157. He's a true freshman, but a hard worker and a smart kid. He just might shock us all and break into the lineup.
Quote from: afnjms on September 19, 2014, 01:24:02 PM
I see that Thielke is at 141, Lubeck is at 149 and Jordan is at 165 lbs per what is listed on the website. I thought, Thielke and Lubeck were going down one weight?
http://www.takedownradio.com/articles/8502
Per Barry's audio Taylor 125, Thielke at 133, Lubeck 141, Ruschell and Crone 149, Liegel 157, Jordan 165, ?? 174
Complete Projected Roster:
125 Taylor, Cavallaris, Jimenez, McClelland
133 Thielke, Lantz
141 Lubeck, Grahek, Rowh
149 Ruschell, Crone, York, Engelbert
157 Liegel, Donar, Weber, Yde, Scharenbrock
165 Jordan, Cathery, Pedersen
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox
184 Robertson, Weber, Veling, Hochstaetter, Christensen
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath, Schmidt
Quote from: imnofish on September 19, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
Don't rule out Scharenbrock at 157. He's a true freshman, but a hard worker and a smart kid. He just might shock us all and break into the lineup.
He's not redshirting?
Quote from: leg turk on September 22, 2014, 08:50:20 AM
Quote from: imnofish on September 19, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
Don't rule out Scharenbrock at 157. He's a true freshman, but a hard worker and a smart kid. He just might shock us all and break into the lineup.
He's not redshirting?
I'm not saying he isn't. Just pointing out that he could potentially be part of the mix. Personally, I hope that he does take a year to get ready to step up to the next level.
Without a doubt, on paper, 157 lbs is the easiest weight to be able to jump into the lineup as a true freshman.
Per what we think we know, Liegel had offseason surgery and it is not a certainty that he can still make 157.
Donar struggled greatly with a strength problem as he really got horsed around when he jumped to college level competition.
That leaves Scharenbrock for sure to have the best chance of any of the true freshman to make the varsity lineup this season.
I will be interested to see how Scharenbrock does against the other Wisconsin 157 lbs guys on the team at the wrestle offs.
Logically though, Scharenbrock will need a redshirt year before he makes a serious challenge at varsity.
125 Taylor, Cavallaris, Jimenez, McClelland
133 Thielke, Lantz
141 Lubeck, Grahek, Rowh
149 Ruschell, Crone, York, Engelbert
157 Liegel, Donar, Weber, Yde, Scharenbrock
165 Jordan, Cathery, Pedersen
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox
184 Robertson, Weber, Veling, Hochstaetter, Christensen
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath, Schmidt
what about Justin Weber at 57? Not sure who he losses were to but I think he had to first place finishes in opens last year.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on September 21, 2014, 11:24:14 PM
Complete Projected Roster:
125 Taylor, Cavallaris, Jimenez, McClelland
133 Thielke, Lantz
141 Lubeck, Grahek, Rowh
149 Ruschell, Crone, York, Engelbert
157 Liegel, Donar, Weber, Yde, Scharenbrock
165 Jordan, Cathery, Pedersen
174 Stilling, Iczkowski, Cousins, Cox
184 Robertson, Weber, Veling, Hochstaetter, Christensen
197 McCall, Peissig
285 Medbery, Horwath, Schmidt
Not a bad line up. I would think it is stronger then last year individually and as a team.
Nothing against Scharenbrock, but I'd like to see a guys like York, Donar, Weber or Yde in the line up first at 157. I'd rather see Scharenbrock get his sea legs first before throwing him out there. York has proven he can compete at the Big 10 level, but can he come back and compete after his injury and going down a weight or two? Donar has been in two great Big 10 rooms and now will get a chance to battle for a spot and Weber and Yde aren't slouches either. 141, 149, 157 and 174 will sure have some great wrestle-offs!!!
Based on a recent Barry Davis interview on takedown radio, it sounds like Thielke is still working on getting his weight down to 133 and he is not sure yet if Lantz will redshirt or step in at 133 this year.
http://www.takedownradio.com/articles/8522
Quote from: charteroak1 on September 22, 2014, 04:35:40 PM
Nothing against Scharenbrock, but I'd like to see a guys like York, Donar, Weber or Yde in the line up first at 157. I'd rather see Scharenbrock get his sea legs first before throwing him out there. York has proven he can compete at the Big 10 level, but can he come back and compete after his injury and going down a weight or two? Donar has been in two great Big 10 rooms and now will get a chance to battle for a spot and Weber and Yde aren't slouches either. 141, 149, 157 and 174 will sure have some great wrestle-offs!!!
I agree that it would be in his best interest to redshirt this year and let the older, more experienced guys take the reigns.
Quote from: mkm13 on October 14, 2014, 07:12:55 PM
Based on a recent Barry Davis interview on takedown radio, it sounds like Thielke is still working on getting his weight down to 133 and he is not sure yet if Lantz will redshirt or step in at 133 this year.
http://www.takedownradio.com/articles/8522
IF JT cant get to 33 it opens the discussion:
1) move JT back to 41?
2) Move RT up from 25 and start JJ to keep Lantz redshirt
or
25 = RT; 33 + Lantz; 41 = JT
and then you wonder if Crone goes after Lubeck at 49
???
Not panicking caus I think JT makes 33 but it could cause a lot of change.
I personally think if Jesse can't make weight you won't see him in the lineup this year. 1st There in no way they move Taylor up. 2nd Luebek I'm sure has busted his butt to get to 141 and I think Barry and Co. will honor his commitment to the team by giving him the nod and not let Jesse wrestle off for 141. I'm sure before the end of the season there was an agreement that Jesse would be at 133 and Luebek would be at 141. I'm sure this won't be a problem since Jesse will make it ;)
Quote from: dad 2 5 on October 19, 2014, 05:25:36 PM
Quote from: mkm13 on October 14, 2014, 07:12:55 PM
Based on a recent Barry Davis interview on takedown radio, it sounds like Thielke is still working on getting his weight down to 133 and he is not sure yet if Lantz will redshirt or step in at 133 this year.
http://www.takedownradio.com/articles/8522
IF JT cant get to 33 it opens the discussion:
1) move JT back to 41?
2) Move RT up from 25 and start JJ to keep Lantz redshirt
or
25 = RT; 33 + Lantz; 41 = JT
and then you wonder if Crone goes after Lubeck at 49
???
Not panicking caus I think JT makes 33 but it could cause a lot of change.
125 JJ
133 RT
141 JT or AC or GG (I am only guessing as I did not get to talk to anyone in the program today - JT)
149 RL or TR (forfeit or RL because TR is a little banged up)
157 SL
165 IJ
174 FC
184 RR
197 TM
Hwy CM
Is that what we are going into this weekend with?
According to Barry ...
... Lubeck won't wrestle again before the 2nd or 3rd week in December
... Crone could be in the mix at 149 before then
I would think Theilke or Grahek at 141.
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Heard the latest interview after my original post (above in red). Sounds like ...
... Crone is beat up ... (but would be in the mix at 149, if healthy)
... 149 will be RL or TR ... (interesting since Barry said last week that Lubeck won't wrestle again before the 2nd or 3rd week in December)
... 141 will be Theilke or Grahek
If Thielke is healthy, he has to be the guy at 141. Taking nothing away from Grahek, but I don't think they are on the same level. If Thielke couldn't make 133, he can't be too undersized for 141.
Quote from: neutral on November 24, 2014, 07:35:03 PM
... 149 will be RL or TR ... (interesting since Barry said last week that Lubeck won't wrestle again before the 2nd or 3rd week in December)
A week ago? Heck, in this current environment that's as good as last year's news ;)
I'm waiting for Barry to announce his come back.
Interesting reading what is happening with the Gophers this year. Both Dardanes drop weight classes and are making weight making room for a good kid to slide in at '49. The team will be much tougher because of it.
I recall Troy Steiner dropping his senior (and sacrificing big-time to make that weight) to make room for Lincoln and make the team better.
RT and JT are bumping up, and pushing a good kid (lubeck) up to 49 where he will struggle if he even makes the line-up. If he does he would push either Crone or Ruschell out.
Obviously none of these can be considered identical situations, but often in sports we see someone who will sacrifice their comfort for the betterment of the team. I guess time will tell if this situation will be better for the Badgers, or perhaps we will never know. My hunch right now is that we won't see more than 1 NCAA qualifier out of the first 4 weights. I certainly hope I'm wrong and Barry is right.
Quote from: Handles II on November 25, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
.... and pushing a good kid (lubeck) up to 49 where he will struggle ......
Rylan is moving up because he struggled at 141 (too much of a cut, loss of strength), not because anybody pushed him up
Quote from: Handles II on November 25, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
....someone who will sacrifice their comfort for the betterment of the team.
Comfort is it? I gotta think you were a heavyweight, Handles. Cutting hard weight was never just an issue of "comfort." It's a pretty ugly experience with some potentially long-term damaging effects.
That said, the Dardanes are indeed "sacrificing their comfort" for the team (and quite possibly doing the only thing that can do to keep a place in the line-up - so it might not be as noble as you make it out to be).
The Dardanes moved UP last year to make room for a wrestler (Thorn or Chris Dardanes would have been bumped in a wrestle off).
Thorn could no longer hold 125.
Their performance though still very good was not what it will likely be this year. If you follow the Gophers closely you know that Dardanes have a physical style that works best when they are not outsized as they were last year (albeit a small amount).
You will see them dominate their opponents more as they did two years ago at these weights.
I don't know if I would say that RL will "struggle" at 149. It's what he wrestled at last year. It's the weight class that he was a National Qualifier at. It's the weight class that he won 2 matches at Nationals at.
Quote from: npope on November 25, 2014, 08:54:44 AM
Quote from: Handles II on November 25, 2014, 07:55:09 AM
....someone who will sacrifice their comfort for the betterment of the team.
Comfort is it? I gotta think you were a heavyweight, Handles. Cutting hard weight was never just an issue of "comfort." It's a pretty ugly experience with some potentially long-term damaging effects.
That said, the Dardanes are indeed "sacrificing their comfort" for the team (and quite possibly doing the only thing that can do to keep a place in the line-up - so it might not be as noble as you make it out to be).
I'm almost a hwt now...does that count? ;D