This is his mess...its time to go.
Night after night in big games we can't lay down sacrifice bunts. We have lost too many games because professional baseball players can't do the most basic of skills.
Get your Hank or Yount bobble head doll... AND/OR purchase that I 'heart' Hank t-shirt...
Hey guys i hate to say it but RR doesnt go up to the plate and hit for these guys!!i could see hitting coach getting the axe but RR will not.
Quote from: boowrestle on September 21, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
Hey guys i hate to say it but RR doesnt go up to the plate and hit for these guys!!i could see hitting coach getting the axe but RR will not.
Agreed
The bats have gone silent at the worst time. They've scored 1 run in the last 18 innings. The bullpen blew three games last week that would have had them right there in the mix. But they scored like 2 runs in those games as well.
On a sort of positive note, the starting pitching has been lights out. Wily Peralta was sick today.
Melvin will be here through 2015 at least ... and Roenicke is on club options after this year. I think Melvin has done a very good job ... except 1B - so I hope he'll be here for a long time to come. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about Roenicke - except I don't sense he's a great button-pusher.
If somebody proven is available and sincerely interested ... I'd be interested in a change but I wouldn't want to see the next promising managerial candidate at this point ... unless it's Sveum.
Quote from: boowrestle on September 21, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
Hey guys i hate to say it but RR doesnt go up to the plate and hit for these guys!!i could see hitting coach getting the axe but RR will not.
But RR does encourage the aggressive base running style that has so often produced stupid outs to kill innings - and this is from a guy who likes aggressive base running. I have to believe the hitting coach is in trouble - the plate discipline has been awful. Maybe that's the essential problem, an overall lack of fundementals and discipline - which you can put at a manager's feet. I like RR but this collapse was pretty bad and needs some kind of accountability.
Quote from: boowrestle on September 21, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
... i could see hitting coach getting the axe but RR will not.
There's not much the hitting coach can do with these guys - it's the way they've always hit ... and the way they hit the first the first 4 moinths of the season. The're going to be more inclined to think their in a slump ... and what they've done for 4 months is going to come back to them ... than to try to change their approach at the point in the season that things started sliding.
The trouble is that that has to also be what Roenicke thought. He's the guy that can sit guys down if they don't adjust - he just didn't expect them to ... maybe didn't even ask them to.
Now that you've made me think about it ... I vote for Svuem for 2015.
Robin Yount as new hitting coach!!
If Ryan Braun was even close to the Ryan Braun of the past, the Brewers would be winning the Central. He's not himself, and I wonder with that thumb if he ever will be. If he was .315 30 and 110 there's no question in my mind. Hitting is contagious, and having to pitch around Braun would have helped everyone else.
I hope that rest will make it happen. I put way to much into Brewer season to watch them fade another year.
Clark needs a shot. I assume they don't see Hunter Morris as an every day guy.
Should the Brewers be able to renegotiate Ryan Brauns contract, so they are paying a player who plays at the level he plays at now?
Tom i say yes they should be able to ,but they cant they both signed the contract they are stuck with it :(.I really would like to know what the Rockies were asking for in trade for moneau????
Maybe they should sue Braun for breach (sp?) of contract of some kind. After all, he was breaking rules of the league to obtain that contract.
Hurry up already....ten games under .500 since May.
Now that Kirk Gibson is available I'd consider him...at least he has a pulse.
Kirk Gibson's team lost almost 100 games this year.
And we will have as many playoff games as his team this year. Huge meltdown and it starts with leadership
What is Mark waiting for...grrrrr
I think they are going to fire him, but I don't think they should. Do we really want a hard fire guy like Gibson? I don't see the personalities in the club house going for that. These guys aren't rah rah guys, and constant grinding from the manager doesn't work over 162 game season.
I'll say it again. With a healthy Ryan Braun this team makes the playoffs Nd likely wins the division.
Quote from: Ghetto on October 01, 2014, 10:58:13 PM
I think they are going to fire him, but I don't think they should. Do we really want a hard fire guy like Gibson? I don't see the personalities in the club house going for that. These guys aren't rah rah guys, and constant grinding from the manager doesn't work over 162 game season.
I'll say it again. With a healthy Ryan Braun this team makes the playoffs Nd likely wins the division.
Even a healthy Ryan Braun is 53 points lower in batting average and lower in homers etc (see below) now that he is off the juice (supposedly was and now is not...)... I still think it is somehow wrong that he is keeping that huge part of the payroll and producing a lot less than he was contracted for, due to his breaking rules (ie cheating). If you can't tell, this bugs me.
Year Age G ..AB Runs..Hits..2B 3B HR ..RBI ..SB BB SO ...BA .. ..OBP...SLG OPS OPS+...TB IBB Awards
2012 28 154 598 108 ..191 ..36 3 ...41 112 ...30 63 128 .319 . .391 .595 .987 158 .356 15 All Star, MVP, S,MVP-2,Silver Slugger Award
2014 30 135 530 68 ...141.. 30 6... 19 ..81 . 11 41 113 .266 . . .324 .453 .777 114 ..240 3
BA -53 points
HR -22
hits -50
runs -40
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/braunry02.shtml
Mark....What are you waiting for, obviously a change is needed after this giant collapse. If you (Roenicke) could have played .500 ball the last 40 games we would be hosting a playoff game. But since you refuse to move runners and have the philosophy of swing at everything thrown you need to go. Losing record from May 1st on you had plenty of time to right the ship. Players play but they play within a coaches philosophy...How about doing the honorable thing and fall on your sword and resign!
Ryan Braun was not healthy all year.
Those stats would be telling if Braun was actually juicing in '12. He tested positive in '11 and was tested extensively in '12, so he wasn't juicing in '12. He is hurt this year, which is affecting his hitting.
... and their biggest deficiency was at 1B - and that's on Melvin ... not Roenicke.
I dno't care one way or the other re: Roenicke. I'm not sure he was a big part of the problem ... and I'm not sure he can be a part of the solution
If they're going to continue to assemble teams based on playing 81 games in Miller Park (which they kinda have to) ... they are going to need power bats - but they need to be at least a little more selective at the plate ... and significantly better defensively. That doesn't happen overnight ... or without significant roster turnover. It usually requires emphasis on these aspects in the minor leagues.
So - I say give Melvin & Roenicke 1 more power bat (with a decent avg+slug) ... and 1 more year - and if it doesn't work ... blow it up.
Adam LaRoche / 1B ... ?
Pablo Sandoval/ 3B?/1B? ... and let Ramirez walk? ... (while this goes against the "more selective" approach" ...
he has a great contact rate ... & I'm intrigued by his hitting in Miller for 81 games +? per year)
The Brewers were above average on defense, weren't they? Reynolds and Overbay, while not great at the plate, were much better than Prince ever was at 1st. The problem is that they couldn't produce consistently on offense.
Scooter Gennett is an upgrade at 2nd.
Segura and Ramirez are above average.
Khris Davis has a little league arm, but can get to balls and is ok.
Gomez is the best CF in the game.
Braun is athletic, which makes him average.
I'm not sold on Davis in left. He's too short to play 1st, so they are stuck with him if they think he's got a good enough bat to play. I'd rather have Gerardo Parra, who can't be happy being a gold glover who rarely plays. I'd rather have him in left than Davis, though it's short term.
I'd have no issue with Adam LaRoche, but he strikes out a lot. They aren't even in the ballpark for Sandoval, and you want to talk about free swinging? He will swing at just about anything in the stadium.
Ramirez is great, but he's only worth the money if the Brewers are in a playoff run. I say they agree to the one year he has left.
Quote from: dietac on October 05, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
Those stats would be telling if Braun was actually juicing in '12. He tested positive in '11 and was tested extensively in '12, so he wasn't juicing in '12. He is hurt this year, which is affecting his hitting.
Do we know Braun was not 'juicing' all along?
IMO
I think the 'sore thumb' is a bunch of baloney... That is just my opinion. When you have been cheating big time, it is hard to be honest later is my suspicion...
I think he was using all along, but beating the system by what ever means. Heck, he can afford the best.
I don't have much time for overpaid athletes or for paying for their stadiums/arenas etc.
The Packers have become some sort of 'comfort noise' for me, otherwise I could care less... Then again I enjoy all the arguing that is done on 670 AM ... go figure.
His thumb is an issue. He can't turn on balls. All year long he pushed balls to right field because he couldn't wrap the bat.
I think Braun can be a very proiductive hitter - but I'd like to see him at 1B (ideally).
The Sandoval thought was couched with the comment "while this goes against the "more selective" approach" - assuming they roll with the swing away approach for anotjher year or two ... and would only on a 2-3 year deal.
Without Weeks & Ramirez ... they could certainly afford him. He won't cost any more than Ramirez ... just for an extra year or two.
2B-SS-3B defense is adequate ... no better. Corner outfield & 1B is below average. Only Lucroy & Gomez are above average defensively.
Just announced couple hrs ago they are keeping RR and have fired 1st base and hitting coach.
Quote from: boowrestle on October 10, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
Just announced couple hrs ago they are keeping RR and have fired 1st base and hitting coach.
Thay aught'a do it! ;) ???
I wonder if Bill Meuller would be interested.
He resigned from the Cubs because he didn't like the way they handled the minor league hitting coach. You've gotta love integrity.
... and - the guy could hit.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/ron-roenicke-will-return-as-brewers-manager-in-2015-b99368536z1-278828051.html
This is an overly long article that can be boiled down to ...
We talked ... and we agreed we should continue to talk from time to time ... to evaluate & give feedback to one another.
We (Melvin & Roenicke) kept ourselves - because, although we admit there are areas we are responsible for where we could have done bbetter ... we are growing in the process.
We have fired Narron & Iorg - because, even though they have worked hard with and have good relationships with the players ... somebody has to pay the price of losing ... (and it ain't gonna be us).
We talked ... and we talked some more ... and agreed we should talk again ...
Quote from: neutral on October 11, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/ron-roenicke-will-return-as-brewers-manager-in-2015-b99368536z1-278828051.html
This is an overly long article that can be boiled down to ...
We talked ... and we agreed we should continue to talk from time to time ... to evaluate & give feedback to one another.
We (Melvin & Roenicke) kept ourselves - because, although we admit there are areas we are responsible for where we could have done bbetter ... we are growing in the process.
We have fired Narron & Iorg - because, even though they have worked hard with and have good relationships with the players ... somebody has to pay the price of losing ... (and it ain't gonna be us).
We talked ... and we talked some more ... and agreed we should talk again ...
heh heh heh... good stuff.
What do you have to do to be fired as the first base coach? It's just a place holder coaching job. No one of any importance coaches there.
How's Ned Yost looking right now? ;D
So I guess I am confused....it was Roenicke who was the successful one...oh I see. inappropriate term03
Quote from: Ghetto on October 11, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
How's Ned Yost looking right now? ;D
Yost wouldn't have been able to win here like he does in KC. They built that team for speed & defense.
The Brewers build for power ... and hope for defense.
Quote from: Ghetto on October 11, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
How's Ned Yost looking right now? ;D
Ned Yost is going to the World Series. Let that one sink in a bit.
Even better, one third of their starting line up were acquired by trade from the Brewers.
I love da Brewers, but the thing I always loved abut baseball was I played better the more mellow I was. I'd like to be that fan. I'm not. But boy Yost's head was gonna roll here. You were either for him or against him. Very little middle.