For all those calling for Barry's head... Who out there is available and would do a better job coaching and recruiting.
Ben Askren
Can we wait until the end of the season for this? There are guys who would make a break to the B1G for sure.
Quote from: Ghetto on March 06, 2017, 12:41:20 PM
Can we wait until the end of the season for this? There are guys who would make a break to the B1G for sure.
+1
(but Ben would be my first choice) :)
Have to go for it all with where UW stands now and do something against the norm and maybe even unorthodox. A type of all or nothing. Might lead to great heights or could crash and burn Need to hire a guy different from all the rest of coaches out there
One guys fits all that and it is Askren. I think he is well worth taking that chance as soon as possible.
Any other hire is just something similar to what every Big Ten University has.
Imagine the UW brand all over Wisconsin in the Askren Wrestling Academies. Can he stay close to all that and really create a Wisconsin atmosphere from youth wrestling to high school wrestling to college wrestling? I am assuming his personal contact with high school athletes would have to be limited to NCAA rules. What would be allowed by the NCAA here?
What stops UW from even competing with the private clubs now. Why not have a UW wrestling center in Eau Claire, Green Bay, Fox Valley, Milwaukee, Madison, and Lacrosse. Work with the WWF. Or just work more closely with all the private clubs that already exist.
J Robinson :D
Just wanted to add a different perspective. First off for all the people asking for Ben Askren to be the head coach to replace Barry Davis. Please tell me what qualifies him to be the head coach? Other than being from Wisconsin who had a successful collegiate career. I understand the love affair for a homegrown kid, and I have heard nothing but great things about Askren so this is not an indictment on him. I think Ben Askrens best spot is to build a factory of an academy and produce top level high school talent to help feed D1 schools. Preferably Wisconsin
What I think people don't understand or don't want to understand when they are comparing Wisconsin to the Ohio States, OSU, The Iowa's Penn State etc. These top tier programs have been good forever. They have built a network of great wrestlers going back and coaching high schools and academies across the country and feeding their alma maters. How else does Iowa Pull in Spencer Lee, or Michael Kemmerer (Strittmatter/Young Guns). Pinnacle Jared Lawrence and Brandon Paulson (Minnesota) Michigan with Murphy and Micic (Bormet/Overtime wrestling connection). As Wisconsin, has certainly benefited from Jeff Jordan, as has Ohio State, even Ben Askren since starting has a part of this with Missouri (Jacob Rashka).
A state they should certainly be complaining is Illinois. The college has yet to capitalize on youth and high School level success and academies across the state.
I am an Iowa Hawkeye fan and have been all of my wrestling life. I do however cheer for the Badgers being that my son wrestles there now, and quietly the Indiana teams.
Success at the college level isn't just about replacing one guy. As most coaches' will tell you it's who else is in the room who are the assistants? I think the Badgers have a great group of coaches in there right now. Adding Cam Eppert down low will help the light weights (side note) his brother helps run CIA in Indiana now and that will give an inside track to talent from the Hoosier state. Remember that this team that they had fielded this year was a very young inexperienced team that they developed and did very well with. This team this year was supposed to be loaded with Juniors and Seniors. McCaully? Peterson? Thielke? Taylor? Laux? Am I missing anyone?
Tim Spray
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 06, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
Have to go for it all with where UW stands now and do something against the norm and maybe even unorthodox. A type of all or nothing. Might lead to great heights or could crash and burn Need to hire a guy different from all the rest of coaches out there
One guys fits all that and it is Askren. I think he is well worth taking that chance as soon as possible.
Any other hire is just something similar to what every Big Ten University has.
Imagine the UW brand all over Wisconsin in the Askren Wrestling Academies. Can he stay close to all that and really create a Wisconsin atmosphere from youth wrestling to high school wrestling to college wrestling? I am assuming his personal contact with high school athletes would have to be limited to NCAA rules. What would be allowed by the NCAA here?
What stops UW from even competing with the private clubs now. Why not have a UW wrestling center in Eau Claire, Green Bay, Fox Valley, Milwaukee, Madison, and Lacrosse. Work with the WWF. Or just work more closely with all the private clubs that already exist.
So now you want to take a public tax dollars to fund Wrestling centers (UW wrestling Centers) to compete against existing businesses? Use your head here my goodness........
In actuality if he was head coach he would have to be very careful of Conflict of Interest and maybe distance himself from his clubs some or let others run them. I have to believe it would be awful tough considering time commitments to do both. Why would Ben take a cut in pay to go the the UW? Unless its a matter of his motivation for success for that program and personal goals?
Quote from: Tims on March 06, 2017, 01:56:35 PM
Just wanted to add a different perspective. First off for all the people asking for Ben Askren to be the head coach to replace Barry Davis. Please tell me what qualifies him to be the head coach? Other than being from Wisconsin who had a successful collegiate career. I understand the love affair for a homegrown kid, and I have heard nothing but great things about Askren so this is not an indictment on him. I think Ben Askrens best spot is to build a factory of an academy and produce top level high school talent to help feed D1 schools. Preferably Wisconsin
What I think people don't understand or don't want to understand when they are comparing Wisconsin to the Ohio States, OSU, The Iowa's Penn State etc. These top tier programs have been good forever. They have built a network of great wrestlers going back and coaching high schools and academies across the country and feeding their alma maters. How else does Iowa Pull in Spencer Lee, or Michael Kemmerer (Strittmatter/Young Guns). Pinnacle Jared Lawrence and Brandon Paulson (Minnesota) Michigan with Murphy and Micic (Bormet/Overtime wrestling connection). As Wisconsin, has certainly benefited from Jeff Jordan, as has Ohio State, even Ben Askren since starting has a part of this with Missouri (Jacob Rashka).
A state they should certainly be complaining is Illinois. The college has yet to capitalize on youth and high School level success and academies across the state.
I am an Iowa Hawkeye fan and have been all of my wrestling life. I do however cheer for the Badgers being that my son wrestles there now, and quietly the Indiana teams.
Success at the college level isn't just about replacing one guy. As most coaches' will tell you it's who else is in the room who are the assistants? I think the Badgers have a great group of coaches in there right now. Adding Cam Eppert down low will help the light weights (side note) his brother helps run CIA in Indiana now and that will give an inside track to talent from the Hoosier state. Remember that this team that they had fielded this year was a very young inexperienced team that they developed and did very well with. This team this year was supposed to be loaded with Juniors and Seniors. McCaully? Peterson? Thielke? Taylor? Laux? Am I missing anyone?
Tim Spray
What also qualifies Ben Askren is he has coached at the collegiate level (Arizona State for sure, maybe Mizzo also?). Storied wrestling career as a competitor and experience as an assistant. Sounds like the resume of basically every D1 coach out there right now. Plus he has better name recognition than BD both in Wisconsin and nationally. Also, Alvarez always talks about getting coaches at UW where it is their "destination" job so they won't run off to the biggest bidder after some success. With Askren's roots and business in WI I'd be willing to bet this might be his destination job. You're right, one person can't do it. Like every other HC Ben would put together his own team. You're wrong though by saying PSU and OSU are among programs that have been good forever. Those two programs pre-Sanderson and pre-Ryan were major underachievers for a long time.
Truth is Askren would take UW to another level. Even the supporters know it. He has recruiting ties, is not socially inept like BD, is visible across the state, stays relevant through radio broadcasts and his academies, and seems to be successful in all his ventures. The supporters don's want Askren to get a shot because they don't want to hear "I told you so".
I assume you have personal connections with the program and have established relationships with people involved as you stated your son is in the program. I have no reason to believe they haven't treated you and your family very fairly. There are a lot of hard workers on the team. Best of luck to the national qualifiers and best of luck to your son and his future with the Badgers.
Those that know me know that my relationship with the coaches good or bad would not keep me from stating my own opinion. Ben Askren was a volunteer assistant with both of those programs as he was still competing. No different than the role Nazar plays. I don't believe Trevor Brandvold or Kyle Ruschell have intentions of bolting to something else as Trevor is also a in state kid.
Do I think Ben Askrens name Recognition could help? Yes! But I also think he needs to be in the room as an assistant coach somewhere first(maybe UW?) before just leap frogging these guys that are putting in the time.
To your comment about PSU and OSU. True that Cael and Tom Ryan has been able to take these two programs to another level. However These are two hotbed wrestling states. PSU had great teams in the 70's 80's and 90's then fell off in the early 2000's . OSU had some really good teams with many NCCA champs During Iowa's dynasty. But they were in what I call the same boat that Illinois is in right now where they had really good college seasons but had a tremendous amount of success at the high school and youth level.
Tim
Quote from: ramjet on March 06, 2017, 02:05:18 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 06, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
Have to go for it all with where UW stands now and do something against the norm and maybe even unorthodox. A type of all or nothing. Might lead to great heights or could crash and burn Need to hire a guy different from all the rest of coaches out there
One guys fits all that and it is Askren. I think he is well worth taking that chance as soon as possible.
Any other hire is just something similar to what every Big Ten University has.
Imagine the UW brand all over Wisconsin in the Askren Wrestling Academies. Can he stay close to all that and really create a Wisconsin atmosphere from youth wrestling to high school wrestling to college wrestling? I am assuming his personal contact with high school athletes would have to be limited to NCAA rules. What would be allowed by the NCAA here?
What stops UW from even competing with the private clubs now. Why not have a UW wrestling center in Eau Claire, Green Bay, Fox Valley, Milwaukee, Madison, and Lacrosse. Work with the WWF. Or just work more closely with all the private clubs that already exist.
So now you want to take a public tax dollars to fund Wrestling centers (UW wrestling Centers) to compete against existing businesses? Use your head here my goodness........
In actuality if he was head coach he would have to be very careful of Conflict of Interest and maybe distance himself from his clubs some or let others run them. I have to believe it would be awful tough considering time commitments to do both. Why would Ben take a cut in pay to go the the UW? Unless its a matter of his motivation for success for that program and personal goals?
I was thinking the exact opposite. I was thinking wrestling centers that actually made money and funneled that money back to the UW program hoping to create a better program. These private clubs are making money I have to assume. Wrestling camps/clubs and profits are what make programs and coaches money. UW's camp system and outreach is quite poor. I believe Askren would change that greatly maybe even outside of state lines.
Askren will not have the paper resume that other coaches that apply for the job have but that is why I was saying UW has to think outside of the box and take a chance in an unorthodox matter.
They could hire just about anyone to get the results they have been getting and that is why you need a replacement even if Brandvold replaced Barry. Need to take a chance to move up. Not that far to fall back.
Badgers will struggle to have anyone place top 5 in the Big Ten's next year.
1)Askren
2)Metcalf
1. Chris Bono
2. Mark Branch
3. Askren
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 06, 2017, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: ramjet on March 06, 2017, 02:05:18 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 06, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
Have to go for it all with where UW stands now and do something against the norm and maybe even unorthodox. A type of all or nothing. Might lead to great heights or could crash and burn Need to hire a guy different from all the rest of coaches out there
One guys fits all that and it is Askren. I think he is well worth taking that chance as soon as possible.
Any other hire is just something similar to what every Big Ten University has.
Imagine the UW brand all over Wisconsin in the Askren Wrestling Academies. Can he stay close to all that and really create a Wisconsin atmosphere from youth wrestling to high school wrestling to college wrestling? I am assuming his personal contact with high school athletes would have to be limited to NCAA rules. What would be allowed by the NCAA here?
What stops UW from even competing with the private clubs now. Why not have a UW wrestling center in Eau Claire, Green Bay, Fox Valley, Milwaukee, Madison, and Lacrosse. Work with the WWF. Or just work more closely with all the private clubs that already exist.
So now you want to take a public tax dollars to fund Wrestling centers (UW wrestling Centers) to compete against existing businesses? Use your head here my goodness........
In actuality if he was head coach he would have to be very careful of Conflict of Interest and maybe distance himself from his clubs some or let others run them. I have to believe it would be awful tough considering time commitments to do both. Why would Ben take a cut in pay to go the the UW? Unless its a matter of his motivation for success for that program and personal goals?
I was thinking the exact opposite. I was thinking wrestling centers that actually made money and funneled that money back to the UW program hoping to create a better program. These private clubs are making money I have to assume. Wrestling camps/clubs and profits are what make programs and coaches money. UW's camp system and outreach is quite poor. I believe Askren would change that greatly maybe even outside of state lines.
Made money how? What initial funding, where would it come from the UW? if so that is a real issue. Tax payers would have real issue/problem using tax money to fund businesses that competed with privately owned businesses. Dumb idea why not just promote like Fader does in EC. It works kids love the wrestling at UWEC and they show an uptick in participation but the Private club there is building a wrestling community and program without using tax dollars. Grass roots effort.
Anyway I would like to see Askren get a shot Coaching this program for a 4 year contract to see what he can do. But at present wages he would have to do it basically for charity as I suspect/guess he makes much more than they pay.
I would prefer Cunningham from PSU
There have been many unproven coaches to have great success at the college and professional level. At the very least we would be much better off than it is now with Ben. It is also true that we are not the hot bed for wrestling consistently that Ohio and Pennsylvania is...but we can do much better. Ben will take us to places as a program that we have not been since the 70's. Excitement for UW wrestling will be something special.
Bottom line...even above Metcalf and other fine possibilities...Ben is invested in Wisconsin wrestling. He could be running his academies I am sure in Missouri and be just fine. He has decided to make his home here and will bleed deep red if given the opportunity. Rising tide will lift all boats.
I have become a bit of a reluctant believer in Ben. As a HS coach, just seeing him on saturdays at tournements watching kids and networking, has made an impact. I've thought for a long time that the best kids want to wrestle for a coach that is just off international competition, and at their weight. I can picture those best kids telling their friends that they are going to wrestle for that guy, but success as a HC comes from the assistants that you can pull in. Right now, we have not had much for the light guys, and look at the results.
As to, how fast can you get results? The last time we had a high profile great assitant, we went to #4, and BD won coach of the yr. I don't care who is HC, as long as they are secure enough in themselves to hire great people to help.
My vote in for Troy Steiner.
Quote from: empty99 on March 06, 2017, 08:58:02 PM
I have become a bit of a reluctant believer in Ben. As a HS coach, just seeing him on saturdays at tournements watching kids and networking, has made an impact. I've thought for a long time that the best kids want to wrestle for a coach that is just off international competition, and at their weight. I can picture those best kids telling their friends that they are going to wrestle for that guy, but success as a HC comes from the assistants that you can pull in. Right now, we have not had much for the light guys, and look at the results.
As to, how fast can you get results? The last time we had a high profile great assitant, we went to #4, and BD won coach of the yr. I don't care who is HC, as long as they are secure enough in themselves to hire great people to help.
My vote in for Troy Steiner.
I'd be willing to bet Ben has a plethora of options that he could choose as his assistants in all different sizes.
First off, let me say one thing about Ben Askren. He has developed a bit of a cult following in WI. I am not one of them so it may surprise some people to see that I would very much like to see Ben get a shot (not that I think Alvarez gives a rip but who knows?)
A couple things I would say about Ben:
If I was to rank D1 college wrestlers of all time, Ben would be in my Top Ten.....right behind the best ever like Dan Gable, Cael Sanderson , Pat Smith, Kyle Dake, etc... Sure, there is a multitude of 3 timers BUT Ben wrestled in 4 finals and won the last two.
In addition , I believe Ben had a huge impact on college wrestling styles today with his "funk" much like John Smith impacted college wrestling with his low single. While I am not a huge fan of funk, Ben was also a big-time pinner like Wade Schalles. I think Ben would have the capability to coach a wrestling style that would be successful AND exciting. Those two characteristics seem to be a bit lacking under Davis' tenure.
Combine that with Ben's name recognition and his passion and I think he would be able to draw in some top- flight assistant coaches, as well. Nothing against the current coaches but I think Ben could pull in guys like Jake Herbert, Kyle Dake, etc. Pure conjecture on my part but it's my opinion.
Combine that with Ben's marketing skills and ability to promote wrestling.....
I would be 100% on board with seeing Ben take over the reins at UW.
Metcalf or J Rob!
Quote from: statman on March 06, 2017, 12:23:31 PM
For all those calling for Barry's head... Who out there is available and would do a better job coaching and recruiting.
1-Ben Askren
2-Donnie Pritzlaff (never happen as long as BA is AD)
Ben is the bomb; but Bono has proven himself. Still, you want change, you want Ben.
Quote from: whatever on March 06, 2017, 09:02:15 PM
First off, let me say one thing about Ben Askren. He has developed a bit of a cult following in WI. I am not one of them so it may surprise some people to see that I would very much like to see Ben get a shot (not that I think Alvarez gives a rip but who knows?)
A couple things I would say about Ben:
If I was to rank D1 college wrestlers of all time, Ben would be in my Top Ten.....right behind the best ever like Dan Gable, Cael Sanderson , Pat Smith, Kyle Dake, etc... Sure, there is a multitude of 3 timers BUT Ben wrestled in 4 finals and won the last two.
In addition , I believe Ben had a huge impact on college wrestling styles today with his "funk" much like John Smith impacted college wrestling with his low single. While I am not a huge fan of funk, Ben was also a big-time pinner like Wade Schalles. I think Ben would have the capability to coach a wrestling style that would be successful AND exciting. Those two characteristics seem to be a bit lacking under Davis' tenure.
Combine that with Ben's name recognition and his passion and I think he would be able to draw in some top- flight assistant coaches, as well. Nothing against the current coaches but I think Ben could pull in guys like Jake Herbert, Kyle Dake, etc. Pure conjecture on my part but it's my opinion.
Combine that with Ben's marketing skills and ability to promote wrestling.....
I would be 100% on board with seeing Ben take over the reins at UW.
If you aren't Ben Askren's agent you should be.
Crass
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 07, 2017, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 10:55:00 AM
Crass
Hard to even compare him to Ben.
Did I try comparing the 2? and please explain why? They are both hypothetical candidates so what makes one so much better than the other?
I honestly think he would do a good job, but that is JMO
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 11:02:40 AM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 07, 2017, 10:59:40 AM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 10:55:00 AM
Crass
Hard to even compare him to Ben.
Did I try comparing the 2? and please explain why? They are both hypothetical candidates so what makes one so much better than the other?
I honestly think he would do a good job, but that is JMO
Qualifications
What qualifications ???
Doesn't Barry Davis have better qualifications than Askren?
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
What qualifications ???
Doesn't Barry Davis have better qualifications than Askren?
No, we wouldn't be in the bottom half of the Big 10 every year if he did.
If you give Ben credit for recruiting Max to Mizzou between him and Max that's 3 more national titles from WI than BD has.
Most if not all of us on here agree that recruiting is the major component to success in college wrestling. Honest question - do you think Ben can recruit better than Barry?
Quote from: Barou on March 07, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Most if not all of us on here agree that recruiting is the major component to success in college wrestling. Honest question - do you think Ben can recruit better than Barry?
Absolutely. For a number of reasons.
1. He's a Wisconsin guy
2. He knows a ton of high level Wisconsin kids personally
3. He's still relevant because of MMA
4. He might get some guys who want to go the MMA route after college
5. While he comes off brash, he's very smart. There would be a plan put in place.
6. He'd be able to pull from a large assistant pool, which would drive recruiting.
7. I think Mitch Hull could work with Ben just like he does now with the Badger club
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
What qualifications ???
Doesn't Barry Davis have better qualifications than Askren?
Considering he is an NCAA champ and finalist multiple times. He coached at the collegiate level. Askren is a much bigger person than Crass. People around the world know Askren not so much with Crass, which is huge for recruiting. Don't really think its much of a question why he would be better.
Yes, if this dream scenario were to happen, I agree that Mitch would be the weaning man; not BD.
Good points, Ghetto.
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 07, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
What qualifications ???
Doesn't Barry Davis have better qualifications than Askren?
Considering he is an NCAA champ and finalist multiple times. He coached at the collegiate level. Askren is a much bigger person than Crass. People around the world know Askren not so much with Crass, which is huge for recruiting. Don't really think its much of a question why he would be better.
In case you did not know During his college career, Davis was a four-time NCAA Division I all-American, and a three-time Division I champion wrestler. He was named NCAA Outstanding Wrestler in 1985, and was also named the Big Ten Athlete of the Year that same year. Barry Davis' career record at Iowa was 162-9-1, also was champion in freestyle wrestling (125.4 lb) at the 1983 Pan American Games, and a member of the 1983 U.S. World wrestling team. In 1984, he took a redshirt year from college athletics, to compete on the 1984 U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team, winning a silver medal at the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Davis competed in World championships again in 1986 and 1987, earning a bronze medal and a silver, respectively. In 1988 he was once more a member of the U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team, but did not earn a medal. So that makes him better tan Askren in your scenario
I think you are having two different arguments. Entertaining though.
I do not doubt that Ben could recruit the heck out of kids. Look what he's done in a short time building his academies. OK Max helped too. But the name recognition is out there which I think would put him on par with some of the other coaches out there. Developing the recruits would be my biggest concern. Can he do that? That would be the great unknown. But I would like to think he could. Seems like whatever Ben attaches his name to pretty much turns to gold.
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 01:13:19 PM
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 07, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: Ivan Stankowski on March 07, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
What qualifications ???
Doesn't Barry Davis have better qualifications than Askren?
Considering he is an NCAA champ and finalist multiple times. He coached at the collegiate level. Askren is a much bigger person than Crass. People around the world know Askren not so much with Crass, which is huge for recruiting. Don't really think its much of a question why he would be better.
In case you did not know During his college career, Davis was a four-time NCAA Division I all-American, and a three-time Division I champion wrestler. He was named NCAA Outstanding Wrestler in 1985, and was also named the Big Ten Athlete of the Year that same year. Barry Davis' career record at Iowa was 162-9-1, also was champion in freestyle wrestling (125.4 lb) at the 1983 Pan American Games, and a member of the 1983 U.S. World wrestling team. In 1984, he took a redshirt year from college athletics, to compete on the 1984 U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team, winning a silver medal at the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Davis competed in World championships again in 1986 and 1987, earning a bronze medal and a silver, respectively. In 1988 he was once more a member of the U.S. Olympic freestyle wrestling team, but did not earn a medal. So that makes him better tan Askren in your scenario
Did anybody say anything about the more accomplished wrestler?
If you want to go there, with all the information you provided which is nothing new to the vast majority of us old timer forum posters, how many kids know that or care? I guarantee you more kids being recruited today can tell you Askren won the Hodge 2X's than can tell you BD won a silver medal. Right, wrong, or indifferent that's the wrestling world we live in. Askren was applying his own style dominating the college scene and added some much needed flare while BD is still preaching heavy hands at UW.
You guys are to easy
Quote from: Ghetto on March 07, 2017, 01:15:11 PM
I think you are having two different arguments. Entertaining though.
lol can't read I guess
Quote from: Ghetto on March 07, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Barou on March 07, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Most if not all of us on here agree that recruiting is the major component to success in college wrestling. Honest question - do you think Ben can recruit better than Barry?
Absolutely. For a number of reasons.
1. He's a Wisconsin guy
2. He knows a ton of high level Wisconsin kids personally
3. He's still relevant because of MMA
4. He might get some guys who want to go the MMA route after college
5. While he comes off brash, he's very smart. There would be a plan put in place.
6. He'd be able to pull from a large assistant pool, which would drive recruiting.
7. I think Mitch Hull could work with Ben just like he does now with the Badger club
The assistant pool would consist of Max as his head assistant, and then he could bring in RT who plans to train for freestyle and can continue the Ohio connection for recruiting. Also, Mitch Hull is not with the Badger Club anymore, so that could open another opportunity to add somebody.
The assistant pool would consist of Max as his head assistant, and then he could bring in RT who plans to train for freestyle and can continue the Ohio connection for recruiting. Also, Mitch Hull is not with the Badger Club anymore, so that could open another opportunity to add somebody.
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What happened to Mitch Hull?
I am curious about that too. I noticed this year he was not down with the team at duals. And didn't we used to have a fundraiser tied to how many points the team scored at the Big Tens? or was that Nationals? Either way, I haven't heard anything about sponsoring for points this year
"What stops UW from even competing with the private clubs now."
Hello UW! I'm the NCAA. Remember the last time we met? I crippled your program for five seasons! Care to try me again?
I'm willing to take the risk with Askren because of the immediate impact he'll have on making the program a winner; because UW probably won't see a lot of high quality head coach or assistants beating down the door to apply for the job and because they need someone from the outside to fix things. That's no reflection on Trevor who many believe to be a good assistant but results are results and he's been here the last few seasons and UW has finished no higher than eighth in the B1G.
At this point bashing Barry Davis is pointless and I wish it would stop. He is what he is and he's going to retire as the head coach regardless. The point is to prepare for the future and that's helping Ben has good chance of getting the University of Wisconsin wrestling job.
Every year Askren's funky fresh camp alone brings in lots out of state, high caliber, HS talent. Imagine what he would bring into the state via his camps if he had Big10 coach after his name.
Nobody knowing what happened with Mitch Hull is one of the biggest problems in UW wrestling. It is all crickets about wrestling from Madison.
You need new and fresh in Madison and a coach made for this time period. Askren would be that guy to give a chance. Barry Davis just seems out of date and nobody is forcing him to change. Many good coaches get let go simply because a fresh start is needed.
Quote from: Wrestling Thug on March 06, 2017, 05:12:02 PM
I like Metcalf or get Mike McMullen from Penn or Jason Welch! The 2 Northwestern guys are aggressive styles,relevant, and pretty smart!
Metcalf may have name recognition but i don't think his personality is there to lead a program. Not that i have had more than a brief conversation with him. He is Brands 3.0 which i don't see working out for everybody. If Tom would have stayed at Virginia Tech i don't think he would be having as much success as Dresser had there. Will be interesting to see those two go head to head recruiting Iowa.
The other two are no more accomplished that Trevor B. Trevor was a very good college wrestler if that is what you are basing these choices on.
The good news for me is i won't be waiting or worrying about this anywhere in the near future as i believe that the Barry's will probably make another announcement soon saying they are adding a couple more years. The truth is as long as there aren't issues with the team, they will just continue on status quo. Its just the way it is.
For the sake of the thread I would say
J Jaggers, Cody Sanderson, Chris Bono, Ben Askren
I am hearing that Bryan Snyder may go take over Pitt. He would be a great get for any program, especially if Burroughs goes with him.
Seriously, does no one know why Hull is not in Madison anymore?
I was wondering about that myself at the duals I attended...
Quote from: wrestler133 on March 07, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
The assistant pool would consist of Max as his head assistant, and then he could bring in RT who plans to train for freestyle and can continue the Ohio connection for recruiting. Also, Mitch Hull is not with the Badger Club anymore, so that could open another opportunity to add somebody.
What happened to Mitch Hull?
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Mitch Hull is still around. At least he was a month ago. He was in the coaches box at the state tournament.
He's hear, it just appears he's not helping with the team. Last time I saw him at a Badger's meet he was in the stands with the regular folks. I also mentioned before, he used to run a fundraiser for the NCAAs, buck a point or something, he didn't do it this year.