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Title: article on participation numbers.
Post by: TeamJ on August 25, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
Article has link to numbers last year by state, sport.

Essentially wrestling in Wisconsin has stayed same as last year and increased slightly across the USA.  Football continues to lose #'s.

https://www.nfhs.org/articles/high-school-sports-participation-increases-for-29th-consecutive-year/

Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 26, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
Interesting numbers. Says there were three fewer teams but only four less wrestlers. At what point do they take that survey? At the end?
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: dforsythe on August 27, 2018, 06:49:13 AM
I have to send my AD the numbers at the end of the season. It's a breakdown by grade level. How many started the season and how many finished.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: FoldEmUp on August 27, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.

Let's take a deeper dive into the numbers. 

A better comparison would be % of total student population by district since most districts in Wisconsin are declining enrollment.  It also makes sense to look at demographics.  Minority populations are much less likely to be joining wrestling and we are becoming a more diverse state.  So it makes sense to some extent that numbers would be down.

In 2000 we were right around 870,000 students in the state and we are down to 855,000.  Add in that the 855,000 consists of more minority populations and you can see why participation numbers are down to a certain extent. 

In spite of that decline, I think coaches can do a much better job developing relationships with kids and recruiting kids to the sport.  Our conference looked at participation numbers in the winter sports season.  The average was right about 25% of kids participate in a sport in the winter.  That is a terrible number.  The high water mark was in the low 40's with the low being around 10%.

Our middle school PE curriculum will once again feature wrestling where it was missing for quite a while.  Small steps!
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: FoldEmUp on August 27, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.

Let's take a deeper dive into the numbers. 

A better comparison would be % of total student population by district since most districts in Wisconsin are declining enrollment.  It also makes sense to look at demographics.  Minority populations are much less likely to be joining wrestling and we are becoming a more diverse state.  So it makes sense to some extent that numbers would be down.

In 2000 we were right around 870,000 students in the state and we are down to 855,000.  Add in that the 855,000 consists of more minority populations and you can see why participation numbers are down to a certain extent. 

In spite of that decline, I think coaches can do a much better job developing relationships with kids and recruiting kids to the sport.  Our conference looked at participation numbers in the winter sports season.  The average was right about 25% of kids participate in a sport in the winter.  That is a terrible number.  The high water mark was in the low 40's with the low being around 10%.

Our middle school PE curriculum will once again feature wrestling where it was missing for quite a while.  Small steps!

We are trying to get wrestling back into our PE curriculum as well. I've even offered to write the curriculum with videos for teachers who are not familiar. I think that will help quite a bit.

The state enrollment is down 2% in 18 years. I'd say that MPS is responsible for half of that number or close to it. We used to be around 90,000 kids and dropped drastically when choice became an option.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: FoldEmUp on August 27, 2018, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: FoldEmUp on August 27, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.

Let's take a deeper dive into the numbers.  

A better comparison would be % of total student population by district since most districts in Wisconsin are declining enrollment.  It also makes sense to look at demographics.  Minority populations are much less likely to be joining wrestling and we are becoming a more diverse state.  So it makes sense to some extent that numbers would be down.

In 2000 we were right around 870,000 students in the state and we are down to 855,000.  Add in that the 855,000 consists of more minority populations and you can see why participation numbers are down to a certain extent.  

In spite of that decline, I think coaches can do a much better job developing relationships with kids and recruiting kids to the sport.  Our conference looked at participation numbers in the winter sports season.  The average was right about 25% of kids participate in a sport in the winter.  That is a terrible number.  The high water mark was in the low 40's with the low being around 10%.

Our middle school PE curriculum will once again feature wrestling where it was missing for quite a while.  Small steps!

We are trying to get wrestling back into our PE curriculum as well. I've even offered to write the curriculum with videos for teachers who are not familiar. I think that will help quite a bit.

The state enrollment is down 2% in 18 years. I'd say that MPS is responsible for half of that number or close to it. We used to be around 90,000 kids and dropped drastically when choice became an option.

We were ecstatic to have hired a middle school PE teacher who was a D-1 high school state qualifier and D-3 collegiate wrestler.  YES!

In terms of enrollment...MPS is down from 84,422 in 2010-11 to around 78,000 now.  At the turn of the century MPS was around 100,000 students.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 02:40:27 PM
Thanks for the data. Choice has really gutted our numbers.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 02:44:07 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.

Basketball numbers
2017/2018-   486 teams- 14,343 players-  29.5 players per team

2014/2014-  478 teams- 14,606 players-   30.5 players per team

2010/2011-  487 teams-  16,643 players-  34.2 players per team

Basketball has lost 2,300 players in 7 years-   That is a 14% drop.

All traditional sports seem to be in decline
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
Baseball is down 9% in that same time period

Hockey is down 17%

Soccer has nearly the same numbers so no change.

These are all male sports figures
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 03:05:24 PM
These are wrestling numbers only

Minnesota has lost 28% in wrestling numbers over same time from 2010/2011 to 2017/2018

Illinois has lost 20%

Iowa has only lost 5%

Wisconsin has lost 18%
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
Baseball is down 9% in that same time period

Hockey is down 17%

Soccer has nearly the same numbers so no change.

These are all male sports figures

Not to change the subject, but I wonder what the drop will be next year when baseball has to compete with track in the spring at all schools.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 03:21:03 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 02:57:48 PM
Baseball is down 9% in that same time period

Hockey is down 17%

Soccer has nearly the same numbers so no change.

These are all male sports figures

Not to change the subject, but I wonder what the drop will be next year when baseball has to compete with track in the spring at all schools.

The prediction at many Milwaukee areas schools is that participation will go up.  One of the reasons for the change was that so many players were not playing high school summer baseball as they played on travel teams.  Now they expect they will play the High school season and then play with their travel teams
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
I predict it will go down. Now they have to compete with other sports. Elite kids will still play on travel teams.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: crossface21 on August 27, 2018, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: FoldEmUp on August 27, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: DocWrestling on August 27, 2018, 07:38:41 AM
Wisconsin stats...

2017/2018-   330 teams-  6,497 wrestlers-  19.7 wrestlers per team

2013/2014-  334 teams-   7,147 wrestlers-  21.4 wrestlers per team

2010/2011-    334 teams-  7,934 wrestlers-  23.7 wrestlers per team


In 7 years Wisconsin lost 1,437 wrestlers.  That is an 18% drop.  If this trend were to continue drastic changes will be needed.

Let's take a deeper dive into the numbers. 

A better comparison would be % of total student population by district since most districts in Wisconsin are declining enrollment.  It also makes sense to look at demographics.  Minority populations are much less likely to be joining wrestling and we are becoming a more diverse state.  So it makes sense to some extent that numbers would be down.

In 2000 we were right around 870,000 students in the state and we are down to 855,000.  Add in that the 855,000 consists of more minority populations and you can see why participation numbers are down to a certain extent. 

In spite of that decline, I think coaches can do a much better job developing relationships with kids and recruiting kids to the sport.  Our conference looked at participation numbers in the winter sports season.  The average was right about 25% of kids participate in a sport in the winter.  That is a terrible number.  The high water mark was in the low 40's with the low being around 10%.

Our middle school PE curriculum will once again feature wrestling where it was missing for quite a while.  Small steps!

We are trying to get wrestling back into our PE curriculum as well. I've even offered to write the curriculum with videos for teachers who are not familiar. I think that will help quite a bit.

The state enrollment is down 2% in 18 years. I'd say that MPS is responsible for half of that number or close to it. We used to be around 90,000 kids and dropped drastically when choice became an option.

USA Wrestling provides a core curriculum as well, along with videos.
https://www.teamusa.org/usa-wrestling/coaches/core-curriculum
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
That's good to know. Thank you.

Check your email for Fantasy Football signup  ;D
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: crossface21 on August 27, 2018, 10:03:14 PM
Quote from: Ghetto on August 27, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
That's good to know. Thank you.

Check your email for Fantasy Football signup  ;D

I signed up. Hope we can get another 5 teams.
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: FoldEmUp on August 28, 2018, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: crossface21 on August 27, 2018, 09:09:26 PM

USA Wrestling provides a core curriculum as well, along with videos.
https://www.teamusa.org/usa-wrestling/coaches/core-curriculum

Awesome!  Thanks!
Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: TeamJ on August 28, 2018, 06:19:01 PM
What year did Wisconsin start weight certification (fat testing/hydration)?


Title: Re: article on participation numbers.
Post by: crossface21 on August 28, 2018, 07:51:12 PM
Skinfold has been going on since at least 1992. Hydration started in 1998 I believe-at least in college. I think HS started the same year, but not sure.