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Title: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on November 04, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview



2015 Badger Conference Tournament Scores
Stoughton 335
Milton 310
SaukPrairie 285
DeForest 232
Baraboo 226
MountHoreb 172
Reedsburg 159
Waunakee 127
FtAtkinson 104
Portage 96
Monroe 93
Oregon 27
MGM 3

Team View: 
Is it possible for the toughest / deepest conference in the state to get tougher & deeper?   YES!  Throughout last year, you had Milton and Stoughton swapping the #2 and #3 rankings for most of the year.  With Stoughton getting the last victory, by squeaking out a dual team win 29-24 at the Verona team sectionals over Milton, Stoughton validated that ranking by closing out the season as the D1 state runner up to Kaukauna.  During their march to the finals, they knocked off Badger Conference rival Sauk 36-30.   Sauk also was ranked throughout the year in the top ten throughout all of last season. 

Look for this year to even be more exciting and challenging.  With the graduations of Kaukauna’s seniors, The D1 field is wide open more than ever.  I would not be surprised to see, this year, Stoughton and Milton both swapping #1 and #2 rankings throughout the year.  Also, Sauk returns a talented deep squad and should be considered a top 10 team throughout the year.  In addition, I expect to see DeForest break through into the top 10 team rankings this year, with them returning the lion’s share of a very talented squad.  Sum up - Badger could very possibly have 4 ranked D1 teams at year’s end.  I don’t think you’re going to find another conference to match that. 

On the team sectional side this year, you now have a talented DeForest team added to the Milton / Stoughton sectionals, adding some further intrigue. 

In addition, I believe Mount Horeb could be a D2 sleeper team this year, returning 8 regular starters and 5 of those being experienced seniors.   My preseason prediction is to expect that MH makes it through to the Team sectionals this year, though they will probably face a loaded Evansville team for a state title birth.

Individual View:
As for individuals: The Badger conference as a whole is returning 7 state qualifiers from 2015 tourney, 7 former state place winners, 3 state runner ups from 2015 tourney, and 2 former state champs.  Need I say more?   :o


Baraboo

Key Returning:
Soph – Ringelstetter 15+ wins
Sr -  Perez 20+ wins
Sr -  Raymond 30+ wins / state qualifier
Sr -  Duran 30+ wins
Sr -  Pierce 25+ wins
Sr -  Perez 23+ wins
Jr - Kluender  15+ wins   

Key Losses:  Porter, Mayllen, Goodreau, Gale, and Hanson  - 135+ wins   --  This talented, graduating senior class leaves some large holes to fill with wins, points, and leadership.  One big hit to the lineup is losing Hanson (3x qualifier / 1x place winner & leaves Baraboo as the all-time wins leader - 149 wins).

Incoming/Overlooked: They have a strong youth program, but not a lot of freshmen feeding in next year that will make immediate impacts to the varsity starting lineup.   One freshman that may have an impact on the varsity lineup could be Pablo Ramirez at 106.

Odds/Ends:  Probably a long shot for a ton of team accolades this year, but on the individual side, expect Baraboo to be sending through some of its experienced seniors on to state with Zach Raymond leading the way.   


Deforest

Key Returning: 
Soph – Fisher  20+ wins
Soph – Rauls  20+ wins
Jr -  Gahnz  35+ wins / state qualifier
Jr - Hemauer 40+ wins / state 2nd
Sr -  Schodin 20+ wins
Sr -  Rauls 30+ wins
Sr -  Kemp 38+ wins
Sr - Toppel  35+ wins / State 4th   

Key Losses:  Dubois, Endres, Chamberlin - 55+ wins
 
Incoming/Overlooked: Hemauer has consistently had a strong youth program, DeForest had a large group of youth represented at the WWF state tournament this last year, but it may be a long shot for any of the incoming freshmen to break through onto the varsity lineup in a way to add a lot of depth.

Odds/Ends: By returning the lion’s share of their lineup, they should be a very tough dual team throughout the season, especially with their senior leadership, along with a couple of very talented juniors.   They have the talent to put a few through to state and maybe two in the state finals, though their Hwt hammer (aka Toppel) is going to have a challenging sectionals just to escape, matching up with Elkhorn’s and Badger’s HWT’s.  That sectional in the Hwt division could very well be a foreshadowing of what we will see at the state finals. 

From a team standpoint, don't be surprised to see DeForest break into the top 10 rankings this year, looking forward to the Sauk / Deforest conference dual match-up this year!


Fort Atkinson

Key Returning: 
Soph – Sigmund  20+ wins
Jr – B Kind    25+ wins
Jr - Willey   15+ wins
Jr - Worden   25+ wins
Jr - Willey   15+ wins
Sr -  A Kind  20+ wins
Sr – Beavers  20+ wins

Key Losses:  Talented graduating group of Foerster, Dunkleberger, and Agnew -  85+ wins in 14/15   

Incoming/Overlooked: Probably one of their biggest impact makers could come from Nolan Kraus, a talented sophomore who is bound to make some noise in the lower weights.  Also, you have a talented Nick Chapin who should see some more time in the varsity lineup this year.  I have no information on incoming freshmen that may have a significant varsity impact.

Odds/Ends:  Fort should see a good amount of success in its lower to mid weights as it returns everyone 152 and lower.  They do have some significant holes to fill 160 lb and up,  which is a common theme with many dual teams.     


Oregon

Key Returning: 
Soph – Pieper 15+ wins
Jr – Ehn-Howland  10+ wins 
Jr -  Moore  10+ wins   
Sr - Williams  10+ wins   

Key Losses:  Omar Sacramento

Incoming/Overlooked:  They did have 8 youth participate at WWF state, but they are still a few years from being part of the HS squad.

Odds/Ends:  What has happened to Oregon? By all accounts, their youth program remains strong.   In the HS ranks, they have fallen on hard times with numbers. I can’t get my head around the fact that this is the same vibrant club that ran WWF regionals for about 4 years straight.  I kept expecting the reinforcements to arrive, but to no avail.   Look for the core group of returning varsity wrestlers to build on last year’s experience.    Sam Pieper had a very nice season last year and we would expect that he would be eyeing a sectional birth for the 15/16 season.


Portage

Key Returning: 
Soph – Suckow 15+ wins
Soph -  Casey  10+ wins
Soph -  White  10+ wins   
Jr – D Golke  20+ wins 
Jr - Routson  10+ wins   
Jr - Emmerich  10+ wins   

Key Losses:  K McTier, M Golke, and their hammer and state champ Jacob Poches.  Over 90 wins combined

Incoming/Overlooked: Rumor is they have a talented hardworking freshman class coming in that should provide a nice base for the future.   Some may have overlooked that Portage has been moved back up to the D1 division, which will be a test for this young group.

Odds/Ends:  They lost a lot to graduations, not only with wins, but with J Poches’ leadership.  They are starting the season with a new head coach Shane Haak, the son of IL Hall of fame wrestling coach, Tim Haak (Portage's new AD).  According to the local papers up there, Tim is currently the assistant FB coach at Portage, so don’t be surprised to see Tim also joining Shane’s wrestling staff up at Portage.   Also, I would suspect a few football players will be highly encouraged to go out for wrestling now.   With this new leadership at the top and the synergy with the football team, don’t be surprised to see Portage’s program grow and thrive!   


Milton

Key Returning: 
Jr -  Dalton Shea  20+ wins / (state qualifier 14)
Jr -  Harms  25+ wins
Jr -  Garrett  30+ wins
Jr -  Richards  15+ wins
Jr -  Pitzner  35+ wins / state Qual
Jr – Chesmore 15 + wins
Sr – Woods 25 + wins
Sr – Prochazka 25 + wins

Key Losses:  N Shea (6th@St), Chesmore (St Qual 14), Gohlke (St Qual), McCarthy, Wileman (St Qual), Maxwell, Nelson   - 230 + wins graduated. 

Incoming/Overlooked: The Milton Monsters youth program continues to feed into the HS program talented young wrestlers ready to hit the mat and compete at a varsity level.  This year’s Fr that could have some varsity impact are Triston Shea (multi time youth state champ and runner up) and Tyler Kersten (youth state place winner and qualifier). Both should fall somewhere in the lower weights and have an impact. 

They will fill some of the graduating holes with depth from their JV program, look for some noise from JV state competitors, Jerry Lipke and Scotty Mansur, to help fill some gaps in the upper weights and for Chesmore who saw varsity time last year to anchor the 220 or Hwt slots.

Milton will also get a tremendous boost this year. They have added to their roster, returning from injury, Evan Whitehead (state qualifier) and Janesville Craig transfer Vinnie Digennaro (who recently had a nice run at preseason nationals – knocking off 4 quality opponents).  Also, expect Dalton Shea to return with a vengeance from an injury- plagued sophomore season.

Odds/Ends: I don’t know how a team graduates 230 + wins, yet is still positioned for a team state title, but Milton is lined up again to make some noise both on the individual side and team side.  It’s a credit to Shea’s youth Monster program and to Head coach, Pat Jaunch. A very talented Junior / Senior group (Harms, D Shea, Pitzner, Garret, Richards, Whitehead, Woods, Prochazka) are now all experienced upperclassmen and that is a formidable base to be reckoned with!   On the individual side, they have 6-8 wrestlers that could qualify and be standing on the podium at state. 


MononaGrove / McFarland

Key Returning:
Soph – K Gunderson
Soph – M Hoye
Jr - Torbleau 
Jr -  Z Long 
Jr -  A Edmunds   
Sr -  Steffen

Key Losses:  Ryan Stube

Incoming/Overlooked: Though MGM has been sending a consistent 8-9 youth participants to WWF youth state the past couple years, most of those wrestlers are still a few years out, but when that next wave over the next 4 years does arrive, they will turn some heads.  MGM does have a couple of experienced freshmen coming in, Carlos Gatica and Reese Baker, both should add some depth to the lineup.

Odds/Ends: I’m excited to be including MGM into this preseason report; this has been a long time coming.  A lot of parents have poured a ton of time, effort, and resources into the MGM club for quite a few years with this vision.  Hats off to those parents that helped raise wrestling from the dead at both McFarland and Monona Grove.    MGM had a sectional qualifier last year, junior Zach Long, and I would look for him to repeat and would not be surprised for a couple teammates to accompany him with sectional births.  The sleeper on the team may be Monona Grove football stud, Alex Edmunds, with another year under his belt. It would not surprise me to see him pull out some big wins this season.


Mount Horeb

Key Returning: 
Soph – Steinhoff 10+ wins
Soph – Czerwomka 10+ wins
Jr -  Frisch 10+ wins 
Sr – Frakes 30+ wins   
Sr – Fame 20+ wins
Sr – Stram 25+ wins
Sr – Jones 34+ wins
Sr – Blome 35+ wins  / 2nd @ State

Key Losses:  Zimpel, Syvrud, Thompson – 65+ wins

Incoming/Overlooked: First thing I thought of about this team - Overlooked!  They might have one of the deepest Senior groups in the Badger conference.   On the youth side, they have a couple that competed on the WWF state tournament, but no one that I noticed that will be making an impact on varsity in the near future.

Odds/Ends:  I would not be surprised to see Mount Horeb have a lot of success this year in the dual team format.  Deep experienced team with good senior leadership is a recipe for a nice team run.  On the individual side, look for 3 or more of their wrestlers to make an appearance at the state tournament this year, with Blome having an eye on a state championship after just coming up short.  On the team side, I’m predicting Mt Horeb to get the sectional team birth out of its region.


Monroe

Key Returning: 
Soph – S Kind
Soph – Wolf 10 + wins
Soph – D Foley  20 + wins
Jr -  Murray 30+ wins 
Jr – Allen 15+ wins   
Jr – Arneson 20+ wins
Jr – Walter 15+ wins
Sr – Amacher 10+ wins
Sr –  M Foley 10+ wins
Sr – Gorr 40+ wins  / 4th @ State


Key Losses:  None!  Returning entire squad!

Incoming/Overlooked:  Similar to Mt Horeb,  this Monroe team may be overlooked.    They may have a couple of freshmen that could break through and have some impact on the lighter varsity weights and bring some additional depth to this team.  Also, with the expected return of David Andrews (Badger Conf 106 – 7th place in 2014) to their lineup, this will also give some much needed experience to the lower weights.

Odds/Ends:  Monroe has some experience and talent returning,  this might be one of their deeper squads that they have put on the mat in a few years.   A look at the individual side of their team, I would expect they would send at least two on to individual state this campaign, with Traiten being on odds on favorite at 220 this year.


Reedsburg

Key Returning:
Soph – McMillen  35+ wins / state qualifier
Soph – McGlynn  15 + wins
Jr -  Lewerenz  30+ wins
Jr -  Haugen  30+ wins
Sr -  Haugen  25+ wins
Jr -  Hahn 40+ wins / state 4th

Key Losses:  Bretsch 25+ wins   

Incoming/Overlooked: Strong youth program, but didn’t see any youth that might have a varsity impact in 15/16. 

Odds/Ends:  Depth again will be their challenge to fill out for dual competition, but come individual tournaments, they have the fire power to put 5 on top of the podium each weekend.  Their two Jr’s have a tremendous upside. Hahn does have some roadblocks at the 182/195 area with Breske and Rashka, if it wasn’t for that, I would be calling for a state championship from him.  Look also for McMillen to improve on an impressive freshman season, which included 35 + wins and a state qualifying birth. 


Sauk

Key Returning: 
Soph – Z Smith 35+ wins
Soph – G Lankey 25+ wins
Jr -  Fjoser  40+ wins  / 5th @ state 
Jr -  Moore  10+ wins   
Sr - Hankins  35+ wins   
Sr – E Smith  45 + wins / 5th @ state
Sr – Vils  20+ wins
Sr - Powell  45+ wins / 4th @ state

Key Losses: Chrisler, Neumaier, Niemi – those three alone accounted for over 100 wins from their upper weights.

Incoming/Overlooked:  Coach Smith always seems to have that depth hanging in the JV wings ready to step in.  This year, for the gaps left in the upper weights, he will be leaning on Moore, Walsh, Batz, and McNeal, all who had some varsity mat time in the 14/15 season.  Bryant Schaaf, who is ranked #9 by (WI Wrestling.com) on a list of incoming freshmen, should also add some depth in the upper weights.  Schaaf finished as a runner up in USA nationals FS / GR during the 2015 season.

Odds/Ends:  Smith’s squad is coming off another great year in both team and individual competition.  Last year they just came up a bit short, losing in the quarterfinals to their south Badger rival, Stoughton, at team state.   Sauk’s dual team will be tested this year when they represent Wisconsin out at the Clash and it will be a challenge to fill the holes in the upper weights.   With all those thumpers up and down their lineup, they should make plenty of noise this year in individual and dual competition.  Expect to see their dual team back at team state this year and don’t be surprised to see as many as 5 of their individuals standing on the podium at individual state.


Stoughton

Key Returning: 
Soph - Dow  40+ wins
Jr -  Jenny 35+ wins  / state qual
Jr - Klien  50+ wins / state champ 
Jr - Louis  40 + wins
Jr - Model  45+ wins / state qual
Jr - Nelson 20+ wins
Sr – Groleau 15 + wins
Sr - Kraus senior 50+ wins / state champ & 2x 3rd

Key Losses:  Benton, Hasselberger, Helland, Reilly  - 160+ wins

Incoming/Overlooked: Stoughton has 3 former youth state champs coming in as FR -  Hunter Lewis, Daunte Stiemitz, Cade Spilde & youth state 3rd place Drew Pashold.  Also, JV state place winners -  Runner-Up C Suddeth and 3rd place D Stenghen.   In addition, this year, they have some depth and experience in the bigs with Harried Sr at Hwt (was starting Hwt last year before missing most of the season with an injury) and Jacob Groleau who had 15 wins before breaking his ankle just halfway through the season. Junior Josiah Nelson had 20+ wins in his sophomore campaign.   Also, Aodan Marshall has been competing nationally this past summer and he will give some depth to the 220 / HWT slots.   

Odds/Ends:  Could the 15/16 season even be better for this Viking squad that had a dual record of 24-2, second place finish at team state, Badger State team title, Mid States team title, Badger Conference tournament team title,  and a 7th place team finish at the Cheesehead?   The Vikings will be challenged this year early on in the dual format with the possibility of facing Kaukauna at the Dells duals.   If Stoughton can find a way to spread out the talent, this might be their deepest team yet in the past 3 years.   On the individual side, Stoughton returns 6 wrestlers that were ranked in the top 8 at the end of last year, all with legitimate chances at state placements in 2016. 


Waunakee

Key Returning:
Soph – Statz 30 + wins
Soph – Hooker 25 + wins
Jr - Joseph 10+wins
Jr - Lorenz 25 + wins 
Jr – Reefe 10+ wins   
Sr – Ernst 40+ wins / State Qualifier & 6th Fr Yr
Sr – Schoepp 20+ wins
Sr – Statz 40+ wins  / 2nd @ State
Sr – Ripp 30+ wins 


Key Losses: C Hooker and Marek – 70+ wins

Incoming/Overlooked: A good youth program continues to feed talent into the Waunakee lineup. This year, it should be Ty Miller making an impact in the 106 range and I also expect Zach Marek to fill some holes in the lower weights.  One of the more intriguing freshmen coming is Reed Ryan. Rumor is that this kid has a boatload of talent and could really turn some heads before his HS career is done.  Not sure if there is an opening this year for him in the 160 – 182 range, but don’t be surprised to see him sometime this year out there for the varsity lineup.

Odds/Ends:  Waunakee has a very good upperclassmen base with 7 contributing varsity members, now all being upperclassmen.  Depth in their lineup will continue to hamstring them as a team.  On the individual side, they have the talent to place 3 to 4 at state with Statz looking to make amends for his one point loss in last year’s state finals.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: CLC FAN on November 05, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
 :o

Incredible write-up!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on November 05, 2015, 07:24:11 AM
Quote from: CLC FAN on November 05, 2015, 05:37:27 AM
:o

Incredible write-up!

Thanks!  -  The idea was plagiarized from you - the "God Father" of write-ups  :)
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: boowrestle on November 05, 2015, 07:44:56 PM
Good job,going to be nice to just sit back and enjoy watching this very tough conference this yr,but I have to admit its going to be a little different being that I don't have a horse in the race anymore.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: padre on November 06, 2015, 12:46:19 AM
Great job!!!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: Ghetto on November 06, 2015, 08:22:32 AM
I am thankful that this write up got me through a 20 minute meeting. Great job.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: Lunatic Fringe on November 06, 2015, 03:32:35 PM
Well done Electric Guy!  Great read!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: wrestlingfan32 on November 10, 2015, 02:13:20 PM
So with this preview how does everybody see the conference finishing?
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: boowrestle on November 10, 2015, 08:12:06 PM
Sauk in the north,Stoughton in the south(I am sure this pick will get Milton all fired up but thinking lost too much to graduation),Stoughton pulls away from the competition at conference tourney.jmo,thinking this might be Stoughtons year to possibly win the Div 1 title.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on November 11, 2015, 08:05:05 AM
Hard to know until a few lineups come out. 

Stoughton / Milton - really 1a / 1b  -  and I'm not going to stir the pot yet. 

For the duals
South Duals
Stoughton   4/5 - 1/0
Milton        4/5 - 1/0
Monroe      3-2
Fort           2-3
Monona Gr 1-4
Oregon      0-5

North Duals
Sauk              6-0
Deforest         5-1
Mount Horeb   3-3
Reeds            3-3
Waunakee      3-3
Baraboo         1-5
Portage         0-6

Tournament:
Stoughton / Milton
Sauk
Deforest
Reeds
Waunakee
Mount Horeb
Baraboo
Monroe
Fort
Portage
Monona Gr
Oregon

Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: Mack on November 11, 2015, 02:54:47 PM
That's impressive, Electric Guy.   :)



Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: boowrestle on November 11, 2015, 08:02:23 PM
Electric guy did you just predict baraboo would only win 1 conference dual????what's up with that?? :-) Boo will finish .500 at worst and you heard that here 1st "Nothing like a little bulletin board material right before season starts!" Lol
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on November 12, 2015, 07:06:14 AM
Quote from: boowrestle on November 11, 2015, 08:02:23 PM
Electric guy did you just predict baraboo would only win 1 conference dual????what's up with that?? :-) Boo will finish .500 at worst and you heard that here 1st "Nothing like a little bulletin board material right before season starts!" Lol

They just lost too much with that 113lb stud graduating,  kind of like Farve leaving the first year, it wasn't pretty.  :)
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: boowrestle on November 12, 2015, 05:40:35 PM
Guess there is only one direction to go after that prediction :-) .good luck to the entire Badger Conference represent well thru out the year.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: mojo123 on November 16, 2015, 10:30:28 AM
Awesome analysis/write up ElectricGuy! Can't wait for the season to get underway. Road to the Kohl center starts tonight!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: wrestlingdad90 on November 16, 2015, 07:03:34 PM
It will be interesting with Milton having a dual at Sauk early in the year.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: boowrestle on November 16, 2015, 11:10:35 PM
What is the date of sauk vs Milton dual and is the dual in Sauk???
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on November 17, 2015, 07:14:06 AM
Quote from: boowrestle on November 16, 2015, 11:10:35 PM
What is the date of sauk vs Milton dual and is the dual in Sauk???

Wk2

Thurs - Dec 10 @ Sauk    --  Yea I missed that,  great early season matchup!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: redbeard99 on December 18, 2015, 12:15:03 PM
After watching the Sauk vs. Milton dual, I can see Sauk stealing the conference title from Stoughton this year.  Sauk will match up fairly decent with Stoughton's light to middle weights with Fjoser, Hankins, and the Smith brothers.  The uppers will be the stealing point for Sauk to takedown Stoughton from another Conference title.  They are very solid in the upper weights after watching them at the Early bird scramble.  This year will be a fantastic conference tournament - AS USUAL!  I also have Milton looking at a 4th place at the conference tournament.  Waunakee is tough and will probably look to take a 3rd place.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on December 18, 2015, 12:35:07 PM
Sauk, may have a chance in the individual conference tourney, with 3 - having great chances of winning their weights.   If they happen to meet in a dual format,  I don't see Sauk prevailing, Stoughton has too much flexability to just match up better - imo 

Stoughton's back end of lineup is more talented and experienced than in the past few years. 

As for Waunakee placing 3rd,  I don't think so.  Milton by sheer quality numbers will place ahead of them.  I actually think Reedsburg has a chance of placing ahead of Waunakee at the tournament.
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: mojo123 on December 19, 2015, 07:50:06 AM
Redbeard, I agree with your prediction on Sauk taking the team tournament. They are just too tough top to bottom and I think Sauk will have the upper hand when it comes to the upper weights.
However, I think Milton will be taking the 3rd place spot like EG said
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: redbeard99 on December 28, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I agree that Milton is very tough and could possibly steal the number 3 spot in the individual tourney, along with Reedsburg.  But I would have to disagree with the fact that Stoughton's back half is more experienced.  They start all new faces from 152-HWT except Trevar Helland, with losing quality/top talented guys from Gunnar Helland and Austin Benton.  I don't think Stoughton could win a match from 160 and up against Sauk Prairie and having Zeke Smith, Drew Fjoser and Aaron Hankins making noise down in the lower weights.  Just thinking about this dual gives me the chills, would love to see this happen at team state!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on December 28, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: redbeard99 on December 28, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
I agree that Milton is very tough and could possibly steal the number 3 spot in the individual tourney, along with Reedsburg.  But I would have to disagree with the fact that Stoughton's back half is more experienced.  They start all new faces from 152-HWT except Trevar Helland, with losing quality/top talented guys from Gunnar Helland and Austin Benton.  I don't think Stoughton could win a match from 160 and up against Sauk Prairie and having Zeke Smith, Drew Fjoser and Aaron Hankins making noise down in the lower weights.  Just thinking about this dual gives me the chills, would love to see this happen at team state!

Gives you the chills ??   ok.....

Red - the devils in the details and I can see you haven't did much digging into details (new faces 152 and up?)  ::), not going to get into a debate with a 2 time poster. 
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: redbeard99 on December 28, 2015, 02:05:12 PM
As stated before, new faces 152 and up, besides Helland (see below).  Once it comes to later in the season, Kraus folded 38 and as did Dow (Both most likely dropping).  Dow will most likely go 45 due to Kraus at 38.  This would leave an opening for "new faces" also at the 152lb and 160lb spot. Obviously they can bump around for a dual, but the fact of the matter is, is that Stoughton's back half is "new" compared to an experienced and talented class lost last year.  Would love to see another matchup between Tyler Dow and Eddie Smith (possible conference finals).  Don't mean to hurt your feelings or waste your time Electric, just love talking matchups and wrestling!  Thanks!

2015 Starters:   
152 Patrick Reilly
160 Trevar Helland
170 Gunnar Helland
182 Matt Krcma
195 Austin Benton
220 Josiah Nelson
285 Joe Hohol

2016 Starters:
152 ...TBD (Collin Kraus folded 138)
160 ...TBD (Tyler Dow folded 138)
170 Trevar Helland
182 Austin Sobojinski
195 Jacob Groleau
220 Key Cook
285 Erik Haried
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: mojo123 on December 28, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
Burned ElectricGuy at his own Stoughton game, Touche' Red :P
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on December 28, 2015, 03:40:41 PM
Again, need to look a little deeper. My statement was the back-end is more experienced vs last year.   First you were talking duals, Do you really think Kraus and Dow wont be in the 152/160/170 depending on match-ups?

2016 Starters:
152 ...TBD (Collin Kraus folded 138) - Sr - another yr older - in a dual anywhere between 145 to 160   vs.  P Rieley last yr  /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 15/16
160 ...TBD (Tyler Dow folded 138) - Soph - another yr older - in a dual anywhere between 152 to 170  vs. T Helland last yr  /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 15/16
170 Trevar Helland - Jr - another yr older , Varsity all last yr - in a dual anywhere between 145 to 170 vs G Helland last yr  /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 14/15
182 Austin Sobojinski - Sr now was Stou's 182 at the end of last yr - another yr older  vs "himself" last yr /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 15/16
195 Jacob Groleau - Sr now was Stou's 182 and had 15 wins 1/2 through the season before ankle break - another yr older vs Benton last yr   /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 14/15
220 Key Cook - Sr or Aiden Marshall Soph (who wrestled Greco all summer) - vs J Nelson Soph last yr  / Experience Advantage Stoughton 15/16
285 Erik Haried - Sr who was the varsity starter over Hohol last yr prior to injury  vs Hohol last yr /  Experience Advantage Stoughton 15/16

I would give the experience advantage to Stoughton's 15/16 lineup 5 out of those back 7 weights. 

Do I have my mojo back now?   ;)
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: mojo123 on December 28, 2015, 09:31:21 PM
You'll always have my heart EG   ;D

Goodluck to your boy, the rest of the Stoughton clan, and everyone else wrestling at mid-states tomorrow!
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: imnofish on December 28, 2015, 11:05:30 PM
Electric Guy, we all knew that you were smart, back in your middle school and high school days, but your writing indicates that we probably underestimated you.   :o :o :o :o  Great analysis!  8)
Title: Re: 2015 / 2016 Badger Conference Preview
Post by: ElectricGuy on December 29, 2015, 08:03:19 AM
Quote from: imnofish on December 28, 2015, 11:05:30 PM
Electric Guy, we all knew that you were smart, back in your middle school and high school days, but your writing indicates that we probably underestimated you.   :o :o :o :o  Great analysis!  8)

Coach - you were the only one then that may have thought I was smart,  most pegged me for calf pen cleaner for a career.   :)  Oh how I miss those days.....  BTW - speaking of old days - if you look at jr's bracket at midstates - Lungren's grandson is in the bracket with him.    Again small world.

Mojo - thanks!