Earlier, you stated you would wait until end of year to give your assessment on the team and staff.
Let's hear it!
Quote from: blastdouble on March 24, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Earlier, you stated you would wait until end of year to give your assessment on the team and staff.
Let's hear it!
1/26/15 - Drew "Oh we already got 7th in the B1G tournament and 15th at NCAAs this year? Oh my bad jag, I must've missed the month of March. A little upset I missed St Pattys day and it's still 20 degrees out."
I was wrong, 8th in B1G and 17th in NCAA's
sorry I was so far off bro, lets hear you sugarcoat and make excuses like usual.
I'm not your "bro" jag, especially since I don't know who you are.
My thoughts are mixed. I was hoping to see Jimenez come through at 125, but he was hampered with mono starting after Midlands, which really crushed his season. That's a though thing to bounce back from, and it's an unfortunate thing that would be difficult for anyone who is a true freshman to bounce back from. He showed signs that he can compete with NCAA qualifiers, which is promising. Everyone including RT is not happy with 7th place. He was an illadvised roll away from making the semis and getting another battle with Clark. But if you would've told me from the beginning of the year that RT would be an AA at 133, I would've called you nuts and laughed. Great to see him get that honor. He's a guy who will build off that experience at NCAAs and be better for it. Sky is the limit for him. Everyone is pretty critical of Jesse, I'm sure he's even more critical of himself. I thought he competed very well in March, which was great to see. Lots of people act pretty tough and critical from behind their computer screens, but the kid is putting in the work and is improving. It helps that we have good depth around him, as this will likely be his Olympic Redshirt year. I'm excited to see a guy like Lantz or Grahek get an opportunity. I will say that if there is anywhere that I'm a little disappointed, it would be at 149/157, and that's because we have good depth and talent at these weights (Crone, Lubeck, TJ, Liegel, Donar). Those guys are all capable, and it was unfortunate to not qualify either weight for an opportunity to make a run at NCAAs, especially after how Lubeck competed at NCAAs last year. Zeke competed like an animal all season. B1G champ and just couldn't beat a game Walsh for the 5th time in 5 meetings. The way he competed that very night against the redshirt senior Moreno, who pinned Zeke in the dual, was incredible. Such a gutsy performance. Very happy with the way Frank ended his career. I don't think many people expected Frank to get a win at the NCAAs when the season started. Ricky had a solid freshman season, about what people expected I would say. He is on an upward learning curve under Trevor, and it will be fun to see how he progresses. There is a very high ceiling based on what we saw this season. It was disappointing to see Timmy not get an AA status. We were all hoping he could pull the trigger more and show his explosiveness and talents throughout the match. The pace of a collegiate style match was just something that he couldn't figure out on a consistent basis. Freestyle might be his best style. I know he is a banged up so hopefully he recovers well. Connor competed great. Heavyweight is a brutal weight class, and has been for the last few years. Connor stepped it up this year and had a lot of big wins. He'll have a full year to improve and find a way to beat Gwiz, and I'm optimistic that he can.
I actually really enjoy the coaching staff we have in place, and the guys we have on the team. They're a very close family (as are pretty much all teams), and they are very young. That bond will continue to develop, and is a product of our staff (the way they interact with the team, and the way they recruit). We have a good recruiting class coming in, and I'm optimistic that we will have a very good one the year after. Obviously no one is happy when looking at the results on paper, and I can guarantee that the staff will say the same thing. However, I'm very happy with how we competed and where this young team is headed. We have the right guys in place at the top, we just need more guys to stay around post-grad. That's what the wrestling club is trying to do - and honestly they have been trying to get more volunteers in to train and help coach ever since I was on the team. It's tough to pull guys away from Cliff Keen or NLWC or the Ohio RTC.
Well, there ya go everyone, looks like we are in good shape! ::)
There you have it guys - another passive aggressive post from leg turk.
We could have four All Americans next year with the expected improvement at 184 if the other three don't redshirt and stay healthy. Anyone who thinks there will be vast improvement in other weights or the ability to win a dual meet against the top teams is excessively optimistic.
Obviously no one is happy when looking at the results on paper, and I can guarantee that the staff will say the same thing. However, I'm very happy with how we competed and where this young team is headed.
strange, happy with how you compete but not the results... well if competing on the level your capable then the results take care of themselves.
the young team.... yes we are young, and next year we lose JT, maybe JJ, Frank, Timmy and have underperformed at 149, 157 that is 6 weights that we are struggling to find a quality starter to fill the weight and by quality I mean someone who wins more than they loose, can get into the NCAA's and maybe go 2-2... so your happy with the direction of the other 4 starters? 40% of a team doesn't lead to much success.
We need coaches that can take average D1 wrestlers and make them winners on a regular basis and take our top notch recruits and make them high AA's... just like other top team do. Until the coaches can do that we will have the same results as we had most of the last 20 years.
Tom Ryan built a championship team in 9 years, he has a good shot to repeat next season. He took over a team that placed 45th in 2006 and 50th in 2005... in his 9 years they have finished top 10 in the NCAA's 8 times with 3 times in the top 2....
so lets review
Tom Ryan takes over Ohio state in 2006-2007 they had gone 45th and 50th in the NCAA's the previous 2 years and in his 9 year their average NCAA finish is 7.6 place... Barry had the team for over 10 years at that point, had all his coaches and wrestlers in place and in that same time frame from 2006-2007 the Badgers have averaged 17th place at the NCAA's.... and 3 times inside the top 10 versus 8 times for Tom Ryan.
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Quote from: blastdouble on March 24, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Earlier, you stated you would wait until end of year to give your assessment on the team and staff.
Let's hear it!
1/26/15 - Drew "Oh we already got 7th in the B1G tournament and 15th at NCAAs this year? Oh my bad jag, I must've missed the month of March. A little upset I missed St Pattys day and it's still 20 degrees out."
I was wrong, 8th in B1G and 17th in NCAA's
sorry I was so far off bro, lets hear you sugarcoat and make excuses like usual.
Jag,
Please give us detailed approach to fixing the situation as you see it. You are quick to criticize, but do not offer any improvements. A ignorant instigator to put it politely.
Outside of Howe and Rutt, neither who improved their situation after they left, I don't see many leaving the program.
I will wait for your very detailed response. If you don't have one I will basically put your opinion on the scrap heap with some of the others on here.
one detail - new coach
coach is everything - recruiter, motivator, teacher, mentor, strategy, mat style, conditioning, lifestyle, psychologist.... and so on, and I believe we have reached our pinnacle with BD, I believe he has taken us as far as he can, I believe we need to different voice in the room, a different mentality on the mat, someone who can take average talent and make it AA and someone who can take AA and make them Champions.
So you fire BD and get who that is better out there? Grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I am hesitant to reply and get drawn into this tit-for-tat, but I do think it's fair to say that this wasn't a very good season for Bucky given the talent that was in the room. And I am not saying that DI talent was abundant but rather, given what Bucky had, both the dual and tourney results weren't impressive, to say the least. There were bright spots, to be sure, but there were as many dark pits that appeared, as well.
Given the returning talent at the high end, the Badgers should be expected to improve on this year's finish. That said, I don't see a significant increase in the supporting talent below the top tier guys...and I don't think the incoming recruiting class is a panacea; one or two of those guys might help a bit....if Bucky were to even put a true freshman on the mat (and yes, I know they did that to JJ, but that was a unique situation without many alternatives). But that won't make a whole lot of difference in team scores and the tourneys next year.
While I am not too concerned about results in general (I think the whole thing is bigger than just wins and losses), I think it is fair to say that this wasn't a good year for Bucky in terms of results on the mat - but wasn't a disaster, either. But it wasn't good...and I don't see a whole lot different coming on the horizon.
My biggest peeve was Davis trying to get the first three guys down to weights that ended up "bridges too far." Cutting weight is not always the "right" solution (sorry MNBadger). Obviously, Taylor was sucking too hard to make 125 and function optimally. For whatever reason, JT wasn't going to be a 133 pounder (and I agree that he is too small at 141). And then there is Lubeck - trying to do it for the team in order to get another quality kid in the lineup at 149 - I feel worst for him. Going to 141 did bad stuff to him...and he was never able to recover after going back up to 149. That, to me, is the single biggest disappointment of the season - what happened to Lubeck...and I pin that on the coaching staff. Cutting weight is not always the right decision - even if it fills out a lineup. I hope the people involved learned something from that.
I say we all petition for Jaquar to become the next coach. Nobody will have anything to inappropriate term1 about in 10 years when we are 10x defending national champs.
Quote from: Mat Warrior on March 24, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
I say we all petition for Jaquar to become the next coach. Nobody will have anything to icky about in 10 years when we are 10x defending national champs.
AMEN! There is no reason besides it is all BD's fault.
Quote from: jaguarwrestler on March 24, 2015, 01:52:46 PM
one detail - new coach
coach is everything - recruiter, motivator, teacher, mentor, strategy, mat style, conditioning, lifestyle, psychologist.... and so on, and I believe we have reached our pinnacle with BD, I believe he has taken us as far as he can, I believe we need to different voice in the room, a different mentality on the mat, someone who can take average talent and make it AA and someone who can take AA and make them Champions.
You should just become an Iowa fan.
17th in the Nation, Ranked Top 20 All Year, Exceptional dual season,
3 All-Americans
4 in the Top 12
6 in the Top 16
1 in the Round of 24
is not good??
That is the best we have done in years. It is almost as if because Taylor and Jordan did not do quite as good as we thought they should, apparently the entire team is terrible?
Were we excellent? No. Outstanding? No Good? Yes, I would say we were good.
Could we be better ? Yes, we could have been better - but that is why they wrestle the matches.
We lost a 2nd place finisher (Graff) and still scored as many points as last year
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17th in the Nation, Ranked Top 20 All Year, Exceptional dual season,
3 All-Americans
4 in the Top 12
6 in the Top 16
1 in the Round of 24
is not good??
That is the best we have done in years. It is almost as if because Taylor and Jordan did not do quite as good as we thought they should, apparently the entire team is terrible?
Were we excellent? No. Outstanding? No Good? Yes, I would say we were good.
Could we be better ? Yes, we could have been better - but that is why they wrestle the matches.
We lost a 2nd place finisher (Graff) and still scored as many points as last year
If you had low expectations that is a fine year, but this is the year we where all waiting for, high expectations.
Hey, if your all fine with a 17th average over the last 9 years I guess we will just agree to disagree.
Quote from: wrastle63 on March 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mat Warrior on March 24, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
I say we all petition for Jaquar to become the next coach. Nobody will have anything to icky about in 10 years when we are 10x defending national champs.
AMEN! There is no reason besides it is all BD's fault.
No, everyone talks about going to the top. It is the others Barry's fault.
I was being sarcastic. I feel we had a good year.
I will say this if the results you are talking were big10 football nobody would be happy and be asking for the coaches head. I think Jag although his approach is not the best might have a point. So if nobody immediately comes to mind do we settle? Not look or explore? Is change always bad? Sure mediocrity may appease some. I wonder how most of the wrestlers feel about thier coach? That may tell you if the wrestlers can motivated or developed to thier full potential. I have little doubt every single one of those wrestlers try as hard as they can what grind and tough sport but the motivation and coaching to get more than the individual ability is different thing all together.........
The only teams you can compare yourself against truly are similar institutions which are those in your conference.
There is no way a basketball coach or football coach would still be employed with the same Big Ten results/placement over the past 15 years. He has been coach for 21 years? The Badger wrestling team is what Badger basketball and football were pre Alavarez and pre-Ryan. Coaches make a difference!
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Quote from: Mat Warrior on March 24, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
I say we all petition for Jaquar to become the next coach. Nobody will have anything to icky about in 10 years when we are 10x defending national champs.
AMEN! There is no reason besides it is all BD's fault.
No, everyone talks about going to the top. It is the others Barry's fault.
You are correct...Alverez needs to hold the wrestling coach to the same standards as football and basketball.....it's time for a change. Alverez needs to make the change.
My thoughts on this years tournament:
133: Taylor wrestled a little worse than I expected. I really think that he is better than Guilibon and Beckman. In the Guilibon match, he had a few questionable calls against him, but he still did not wrestle well. I couldn't understand why he was going for throws in the third period after racking up 2 takedowns in the second. Then his after match reaction is something I found to be a little embarrassing. Overall I love his hardcore wrestling style, but right now I am a little irked by his attitude after that quarterfinal match
141- I though Jesse had some flashes of excellence throughout the tournament. He came storming out of the gates and took down Dean Heil (who later went on to All-American) in 30 seconds and was wrestling a great match before Heil caught him when Jesse was going for a body lock. I think it was big for him to get a win at the NCAA's and I hope he can build off it. There is a phenomenal wrestler in this kid and every once in awhile he shows flashes of it. If he can string that greatness together for 7 minutes, he will be a force to be reckoned with.
165- Despite taking 7th, I thought Zeke wrestled tough. Granted I thought he was going to beat Walsh, but Walsh is a very tough wrestler who brought his A game in his last NCAA tournament. It's pretty tough to keep beating a guy of that caliber. I was very proud of Zeke though when he came back and beat Moreno in the blood round. That was a HUGE win for him. 7th wasn't what I expected from him, but I do not think he benefitted from his draw in the consolation bracket. My prediction is next year he comes back with a vengeance.
174- I was very pleased with Frank this year. He was one of my favorite wrestlers to watch just because of how much he had progressed this year compared to the last few years. I was pretty heart-broken to see him lose to Julson in the round of 16 after beating him earlier in the year. God I really wanted to see him All-American, but I think Frank had a great senior season too end his career.
184- Ricky is on the brink of greatness. He will have to have a big off season and put on some muscles, but I love the direction he is headed in and he has proven that he can hang with the big dawgs. (for example he beat Tim Dudley multiple times and he was an All-American) Picking up a few wins in Saint Louis hopefully was a confidence builder for him and I really hope he improves off it next year.
197-Timmy's NCAA's went pretty much the same way as his season went: Start the match off with a freight train double and slowly fade away as the match went on. In the end though, he did have some bright spots (rode a guy for 6:45) and was one match away from being on the podium. Overall I thought he had a pretty up and down season with some very big highs and some extremely low lows.
285-Medbery pulled through in a very big way last weekend. Beating Marsden in the quarters was exceptional and then beating Telford on Saturday was the biggest win of the tournament for the Badgers in my eyes. 4th place was pretty solid for him and I see him finishing a little higher on the podium next year with a rematch of the great Gwiz in the finals.
17th place wasn't really what I expected going into the weekend, but I don't think it's anything to be to upset about. We have a very solid team that I think will improve next year. The time for Wisconsin too make a push is now! Next year Medbery is a senior, Zeke the Freak is entering his prime, the sky is the limit for Taylor and Ricky, we have great recruits and redshirts coming into the line up, and most of all I think we have a great coaching staff. I'll go with the bold prediction that we are a top ten team next year. I like what we have to offer and it doesn't hurt to dream right?
The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence but we'll never know as long as BD is here. After years of calling us "Barry haters", many are finally starting to realize that some of us were pretty accurate in our assessment of the coaching situation in Madison.
There is always next year
Quote from: Brett Favre on March 24, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence but we'll never know as long as BD is here. After years of calling us "Barry haters", many are finally starting to realize that some of us were pretty accurate in our assessment of the coaching situation in Madison.
There is always next year
But the grass IS always greener over the septic tank. Maybe we are too focused on the color of grass.
This argument went on for a long time on the Penn State board at wrestling report.com concerning Troy Sunderland's coaching. There were even the identical comments, "be careful what you wish for, what are your qualifications?, you just hide behind a computer and complain, why don't you become an Iowa fan?" And so forth. They don't argue about their coach any more.
Never understood the intolerance of a fan's criticism over a coach/program?? That is what being a fan is about isn't it....caring enough about something that you call out the good and the bad? Or is it just blindly following and never criticizing?? ::)
Quote from: hammen on March 24, 2015, 12:37:57 PM
I'm not your "bro" jag, especially since I don't know who you are.
My thoughts are mixed. I was hoping to see Jimenez come through at 125, but he was hampered with mono starting after Midlands, which really crushed his season.
A friend on the college cross country team got mono and was
never able to return to form. To come back a few months later is impressive. Hopefully JJ's mono was not too severe and can fully recover.
*imo- Jimenez looks tough but raw. I think if he's a hard worker and motivated he'll qualify for ncaa's at 125 next season. He can score team points at B10's and nationals.
I liked what I saw of Jimenez.
The hand shake thing with RT I'm not too concerned with. He wrestled poor in a big match and was upset. He's a young man in an emotional sport. Cut him some slack. RT's has a lot of intensity and heart.
I am concerned with his scrambling and exposing back points. His fun to watch funk gets him in trouble.
Sulzer from VA faced all three Jordan's (Ben, zeke and Bo) over his college career going 1-3 overall.
Can't cut anyone slack who won't shake hands in this sport. Simply not acceptable. You got beat, shake hands, then go deal with your emotions. Other than that, RT had a better year at 133 than I thought, but it certainly didn't help us at the other three weights (25,41,49), whether that was all based on RT's move or not, i don't know.
Alverez signed Davis to a long term deal.
Next years team will hitting its prime. Medbery is wrestling great.
Taylor and Jordan have the potential to make the finals.
RR was a darn good freshman this year. Freshman with his
kind of success have very good careers.
The weakness of the team this year was the Wisconsin
guys and Barry having the guys cut weight certainly
had a factor in their seasons.
Quote from: billymurphy on March 25, 2015, 11:31:09 AM
Alverez signed Davis to a long term deal.
Next years team will hitting its prime. Medbery is wrestling great.
Taylor and Jordan have the potential to make the finals.
RR was a darn good freshman this year. Freshman with his
kind of success have very good careers.
The weakness of the team this year was the Wisconsin
guys and Barry having the guys cut weight certainly
had a factor in their seasons.
we had 4 holes this season and we loose 2 qualifiers at 174, 197... that is 6 spots out of 10 we need to address with quality wrestlers. 4 studs doesn't make a team. I think we could have better success at NCAA's because I expect them to place higher but our dual team may take a beating, especially if we actually have to wrestle PSU, tOSU, Iowa, Minn.
With hard work and maturity, our kids should be better next year, and at least one "surprise" will emerge. One year's performance does not necessarily indicate future success. Look at what happened to Minnesota this year, as an example. That doesn't mean they have a bad coach or a fading program. All teams will have to work hard and then roll the dice again next year. Results, good or bad, are not guaranteed for anyone. No individual or team controls all the variables that determine the final outcome. Ohio State's first-ever championship was a big surprise to most and they certainly earned it, but a lot of other things outside their control had to fall into place for it to become a reality.
While much is on individual wrestlers, we know the entire season is geared towards March.
They didn't seem to match the level of their opponent after the first round.
I question the decision making on choosing both up vs down
Wrestling to get to overtime with decisions made.
It is now time to look at changes. We have a great University and will attract numerous hungry aspiring coaches.
Quote from: bigoil on March 25, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
While much is on individual wrestlers, we know the entire season is geared towards March.
They didn't seem to match the level of their opponent after the first round.
I question the decision making on choosing both up vs down
Wrestling to get to overtime with decisions made.
It is now time to look at changes. We have a great University and will attract numerous hungry aspiring coaches.
When?
Multiple wrestlers gave up their escape point to choose neutral because they did not trust that they could get out from bottom. Not sure losing that point offsets the fact of maybe saving giving a riding point to the other wrestler.
You cannot win championships and even close matches that way. That should have been a coaching point all year. I would have made them choose down and had made them get out if they wanted victory. I think they only earned one victory in those multiple cases anyway.
Quite honestly getting out from bottom is about effort through movement and did not always see it.
How many times has a wrestler won the match but the loser was awarded a riding point at end.
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Quote from: bigoil on March 25, 2015, 01:40:06 PM
While much is on individual wrestlers, we know the entire season is geared towards March.
They didn't seem to match the level of their opponent after the first round.
I question the decision making on choosing both up vs down
Wrestling to get to overtime with decisions made.
It is now time to look at changes. We have a great University and will attract numerous hungry aspiring coaches.
When?
Sorry Drew, I don't recall specifics, I believe one was McCall and the other was maybe RT or IJ. I get if it was JT as he has struggled in that down position.
Quote from: DocWrestling on March 25, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
Multiple wrestlers gave up their escape point to choose neutral because they did not trust that they could get out from bottom. Not sure losing that point offsets the fact of maybe saving giving a riding point to the other wrestler.
You cannot win championships and even close matches that way. That should have been a coaching point all year. I would have made them choose down and had made them get out if they wanted victory. I think they only earned one victory in those multiple cases anyway.
Quite honestly getting out from bottom is about effort through movement and did not always see it.
How many times has a wrestler won the match but the loser was awarded a riding point at end.
Who said it wasn't? And you would have your wrestler choose down regardless of the situation and how they were wrestling on bottom that match? That's a poor coaching decision. Wrestlers choose neutral all the time to not go on bottom against good riders, to save riding time or just because they are more confident in their ability to score from neutral that match versus on bottom. It's giving yourself the best chance to win. Nothing is wrong with that. You see this all the time throughout the season in college, and at B1Gs and NCAAs, and lots of guys win when choosing neutral versus the standard "I choose down". It's just being smart. In particular matches where we chose neutral instead of bottom or top, those were absolutely the correct calls given the circumstances of the match. No question. RT was rolling around trying to get out and gave up backpoints. He has rolled on a lot of guys throughout the season and gotten away, but Gulibon figured it out. RT just got a couple of takedowns in the 2nd, why would he risk being ridden and wasting time trying to get away when he got ridden for more than a minute and gave up points in the first? Zeke was a similar situation, where Walsh was able to get a takedown and rode Zeke for over a minute in the first, Zeke scored a takedown in the 2nd I believe, correct choice to not go underneath on of the best riders in the country when you are down in the 3rd, giving him the opportunity to ride out the period when you know you will be able to get to his legs and give yourself an opportunity to win the match.
In my opinion of those matches, I agree that it was likely the right decision in the match to not select down. It gave those wrestlers the best chance in that match at that moment.
My point is that it was an apparent weakness of more than one wrestler and that was frustrating. My point is that to get further up on the podium I think you need to be able to get out from bottom against anyone. In most cases the wrestlers had already been ridden in earlier periods which made the choice for neutral was even more obvious but I was also disappointed with the effort on bottom. There was lack of movement off the whistle, there was laying in the belly, there was letting a guy get in the legs repeatedly, and no clear plan to create separation. I just did not see the desire and effort from the bottom and honestly it looked like wrestlers were content to save energy. I realize this is oversimplified and likely not right at all and the opponent certainly had something to do with it but that is what it looked like. Maybe it is my pet peeve that you can be on bottom and the ref blows the whistle and you don't even move.
I even spent more time watching more matches to see what guys were doing on bottom and it was different.
There was one match, I believe McCall was leading 2-1 and had :46 riding time. He chose neutral. There was no intent to score imo. It was the hope to get got the third and obtain :14 seconds of additional ride time. For a 3-2 win. The opponent escaped in less than :10 and the match went to OT.
He chooses down and escapes, he is winning the match 3-1, 3-2 after a 3rd period presumed escape.
Quote from: bigoil on March 25, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
There was one match, I believe McCall was leading 2-1 and had :46 riding time. He chose neutral. There was no intent to score imo. It was the hope to get got the third and obtain :14 seconds of additional ride time. For a 3-2 win. The opponent escaped in less than :10 and the match went to OT.
He chooses down and escapes, he is winning the match 3-1, 3-2 after a 3rd period presumed escape.
I think I remember this - first round against Oregon St. Timmy got ridden in the tie breakers to lose 3-2. That might be why he didn't choose down. I can't remember how the kid rode, but that might have been the plan all along. Timmy had that bad wheel going into the ncaas, and maybe they scouted the guy and thought it was best to go feet to score and win the match. He still had almost 4 minutes to score on his feet and win the match with a takedown, versus potentially getting ridden the whole 2nd which would just exhaust him to much for the 3rd. Lots of factors that don't make it a simple call. I do understand what you are saying though - and a guy as explosive as Timmy should be able to get away from nearly everyone, but we all know that isn't always what happens.
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Quote from: bigoil on March 25, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
There was one match, I believe McCall was leading 2-1 and had :46 riding time. He chose neutral. There was no intent to score imo. It was the hope to get got the third and obtain :14 seconds of additional ride time. For a 3-2 win. The opponent escaped in less than :10 and the match went to OT.
He chooses down and escapes, he is winning the match 3-1, 3-2 after a 3rd period presumed escape.
I think I remember this - first round against Oregon St. Timmy got ridden in the tie breakers to lose 3-2. That might be why he didn't choose down. I can't remember how the kid rode, but that might have been the plan all along. Timmy had that bad wheel going into the ncaas, and maybe they scouted the guy and thought it was best to go feet to score and win the match. He still had almost 4 minutes to score on his feet and win the match with a takedown, versus potentially getting ridden the whole 2nd which would just exhaust him to much for the 3rd. Lots of factors that don't make it a simple call. I do understand what you are saying though - and a guy as explosive as Timmy should be able to get away from nearly everyone, but we all know that isn't always what happens.
You are correct, and that doesn't all fall on the coaches, I would say they may have had the plan you described but it looked like TM was content to go to the 3rd and see how it played out and then neither wrestler was taking too many chances in the 3rd.
There are no hard and fast rules about "choice" decisions, because every wrestler and every match have their own variables that need to be considered. Even with a plan in place, the progression of the match can take surprising turns that favor changing tactics during competition. Good coaches have a plan, but also are flexible enough to make adjustments in real time.
Quote from: imnofish on March 25, 2015, 01:15:43 PM
With hard work and maturity, our kids should be better next year, and at least one "surprise" will emerge.
Kind of my biggest concern with the Badgers. Other Big Ten teams seem to have more "surprises" or their "surprises" finish ahead of our "surprises".
Hoping one of the in-state wrestlers will be a big "surprise" next year!
The Badgers have all three AA's back and RR. This is as bright of outlook to next season as it gets.
I stand by my prediction that the Badgers finish higher than Minnesota in the Big Tens and nationals.
Naturally, nobody expects the Badgers to beat Iowa, Ohio State or Penn State.
And a distant eighth place in the Big Ten Tournament and 17th place at nationals was disappointing for sure.
Too many holes in the lineup is a very fair criticism.
17th is not where I had hoped the Badgers would finish. I do like the looks for the AA coming back and maybe RR and JJ can compete for AA or top 12. There continues to be holes and which we need recruiting to fill in. We need to see the Badgers get 10 solid guys and then fill in behind them. Every match must count from October until the NCAA podium. It is about getting in position, seeding, winning mentality. Hope the off-season is productive and we move forward.
Quote from: billymurphy on March 26, 2015, 01:28:38 PM
The Badgers have all three AA's back and RR. This is as bright of outlook to next season as it gets.
I stand by my prediction that the Badgers finish higher than Minnesota in the Big Tens and nationals.
Naturally, nobody expects the Badgers to beat Iowa, Ohio State or Penn State.
And a distant eighth place in the Big Ten Tournament and 17th place at nationals was disappointing for sure.
Too many holes in the lineup is a very fair criticism.
I don't claim to know MN team for next year, but they tend to reload well. Badgers loose 2 seniors, JT and I would think JJ and still have questions at 149 and 157... so if you want to bank our best 4 will do better than their team you could be right if their cupboards are pretty bare.