Dake vs Burroughs... Match 2

[leg turk]

Love it!

http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/250697-2013-World-Team-Trials/video/714968-74kg-Jordan-Burruoughs-v-Kyle-Dake-M2

[whatever]

Pretty exciting by both wrestlers.

The scoring has me a little puzzled and I had trouble rewinding the video....but still a great match regardless of the outcome.

[hammen]

Pretty exciting by both wrestlers.

The scoring has me a little puzzled and I had trouble rewinding the video....but still a great match regardless of the outcome.

Which part of the score is puzzling? It looked pretty good.

[bigoil]

Pretty exciting by both wrestlers.

The scoring has me a little puzzled and I had trouble rewinding the video....but still a great match regardless of the outcome.

Which part of the score is puzzling? It looked pretty good.

I would assume he is talking about when it was 3-1 Dake and Burroughs shot in for a take down (2) called by the announcer and then a reversal/push out by Dake for 1 and yet the score was 4-4. Burroughs was awarded 1 for hand to hand not pointed out by the announcer but if you watch the ref you can see 1 blue.

[bigG]

Yeah, that looked right to me.

Great match. May have been two tuff losses for Dake; but he was wrestling possibly the best on the planet.

I thought Dake was gonna launch him for a second, there.

You just can't beat the Burroughs double.

[imnofish]

What a tremendous match!  Dake is much closer to Burroughs than I expected. 

[hammen]

What a tremendous match!  Dake is much closer to Burroughs than I expected. 

I think he is still pretty far off, but he did much better that 2nd match than most probably expected. Remember the first match was a quick tech fall, so he's not as close as that OT match would appear.

[npope]

If FILA rules had applied (no OT), as they will at the World Cup, Dake would have won that second match.

[Gutwrench]

The take home I had is that when Burroughs really turned it on, he almost always got a score out of it.  I know there is a lot that goes into it, but it seemed to me like when Burroughs really poured it on there really wasn't anything Dake could do to stop him.

[hammen]

If FILA rules had applied (no OT), as they will at the World Cup, Dake would have won that second match.

But they didn't apply. If they had, one can assume Burroughs would've been persistent to score before the end of regulation.

[Greco]

If FILA rules had applied (no OT), as they will at the World Cup, Dake would have won that second match.

Not quite. Burroughs would have gotten 2 for that leg lace instead of just one. At the World Cup hand-to-hand turns are worth 2. Burroughs would have been ahead 7-6 at the end of regulation.

[TomM]

Chapter 19 of Wrestling's Olympic Fight: U.S., Russia throw FILA a curveball by changing rules
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130625/SPORTS/130625046/Chapter-19-of-Wrestling-s-Olympic-Fight-U-S-Russia-throw-FILA-a-curveball-by-changing-rules?Frontpage&nclick_check=1

[Greco]

Thanks Tom. Interesting points about overtime in that article.
Do you think that the IOC frowns on overtime because it makes it harder to time the schedule for event completion and broadcasts?

Do you think that fans like overtime that much better than a tie being decided by criteria? Like the article said, the one overtime took six minutes to decide, which means only 2 points of scoring in six minutes. If the IOC is looking for more scoring per minute, overtime might be a detriment.

[Wisconsin Wrestling Fan]

I prefer the wrestlers determine the outcome on the mat instead of arbitrary criteria.

The overtime added a high level of drama to the event.   Yes, Dake/Howe wrestled for an additional 6 minutes, but it was sudden death and either of them could have won at any moment.

The first one to score wins - it's simple, and everyone watching knows what's on the line. 

If this was on TV, I am pretty sure even the casual fan would stay tuned in ....

[Greco]

I would say that the wrestlers already determined the outcome by the score that they produced during regulation time. Note: with the new rules it is impossible to get to the end of regulation time with a 0-0 score.

The criteria is not arbitrary (random or uncertain) it is spelled out and defined. The average fan might not like the fact that they have no idea what the criteria is. If they do, then it is exciting knowing that Burroughs has to score because he would lose a tie by criteria since Dake has a 3 and he doesn't.

I agree that the casual fan would stay tuned in if they already saw the regulation part of the match and wanted to see how it ends. But, would the casual fan notice that the last weight class' match was cut from the broadcast because the overtime matches used up the time slot allocated to wrestling?