Great match in Amery tonight. Started @ 120 . Big match at 106 between two ranked kids at 106 #12 Baldwin over #7 Amery . 195 Max Ramberg Baldwin over Kale Hoppke Amery 3-1 in OT
I don't think Amery had their regular starter at 106 wrestling.
That's a big team win.
Do we dare say the best regional in D2 is in the NW this year leaving 1 of said teams out of a team sectionals trip?
I bet that was an awesome dual. Huge win for BW
Great dual, the 106 was not the starter. Baldwin had an excellent game plan. Little controversy on that 195 match but it was an awesome match. Ramberg is a beast at 195.
Amery regular 106 was out. That was there freshman back up wrestling last night.
Good to see Tylee back in the line up, that is going to be nice for amery come regionals and 2 more weeks to heal.
To be honest both teams full line up was not on display last night but with kids out there certainly put on a show.
Amery certainly did a awesome job for their duals! Great set up, music and crowd involvement. Also itmwqs live streamed on amery Facebook sight.
Must have been a great dual meet.
The Middle Boarder is really tough this year. Three ranked teams plus traditional power house Ellsworth. 30+ ranked wrestlers and 8 ranked in the top three at their respective weight classes. The regional at St. Croix Central will be something to watch with Amery, BW, SCC, Osceola, LGFS, and Somerset(29 ranked wrestlers as of the last set of rankings with 8 of them in the top 3)
It will be interesting to see how things shake out and what weight some of the wrestlers decide to go on that day.
Quote from: littleguy301 on January 28, 2022, 08:35:24 AM
Amery regular 106 was out. That was there freshman back up wrestling last night.
Good to see Tylee back in the line up, that is going to be nice for amery come regionals and 2 more weeks to heal.
To be honest both teams full line up was not on display last night but with kids out there certainly put on a show.
Amery certainly did a awesome job for their duals! Great set up, music and crowd involvement. Also itmwqs live streamed on amery Facebook sight.
Thanks, I wondered about 106 because the Baldwin kid was dominating and I see the Amery kid was in the finals at Northen Badger. Good match ,good sportsmanship in a close match between two highly ranked teams.
Wow great dual. Watched it on facebook.
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
Quote from: Houndhead on January 28, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.
Quote from: Redeemer on January 28, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 28, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.
yes this is the situation it just shifted to the different sides of the state.
Quote from: thequad on January 28, 2022, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: Redeemer on January 28, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 28, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.
yes this is the situation it just shifted to the different sides of the state.
Would argue it's been an issue in all areas of the state the whole time. That certain NE D2 regional is just a prime example of WIAA not listening.
Quote from: thequad on January 28, 2022, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: Redeemer on January 28, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 28, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.
yes this is the situation it just shifted to the different sides of the state.
It has been for awhile now actually since then start of team state. Remember Ellsworth in the 90's were always a close second to BW. Then neilsville to Ellsworth in the 2000's and then amery to Ellsworth in the 2010's. I remember single digit sectional matches in alot often and those mentioned teams winning state by alot more than they won at sectionals. It is tough all over!
I think the biggest problem is taking the winner of a individual tournament and making them the dual regional champ. There is a lot that goes into a dual meet that can't take place in an individual tournament. The ability to move and depth of a team are not part of the regional tournament.
We need to correct this, but most have been saying this since the beginning of team state in the 90's and nothing has changed. Minnesota does it right. Wrestle duals to advance to team state!
We also need super regionals, but that is a different topic.
I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.
Quote from: Wis-Mallard on January 30, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.
So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?
With those lineups, you could probably flip a coin for the winner. A dual format would be more exciting and more strategy in my opinion. Baldwin had a great strategy in that dual in my opinion.
Quote from: Kwishoff on January 31, 2022, 08:26:18 AM
With those lineups, you could probably flip a coin for the winner. A dual format would be more exciting and more strategy in my opinion. Baldwin had a great strategy in that dual in my opinion.
With those lineups a coin flip could be the factor.
Also I will add that neither Amery or BW has fielded there full line ups due to injuries and other issues. BW has alot of depth in the room to help out.
I am notnsure of the strategy BW did but I will go with it ;D
Quote from: Houndhead on January 31, 2022, 07:13:41 AM
Quote from: Wis-Mallard on January 30, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.
So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?
I will cheer on the team that wins the regional tournament. Both are good dual teams. Hopefully all the teams at the regional have all their kids healthy. All the teams know the format to qualify for team state and will give everything they have to win the regional tournament.
Quote from: Houndhead on January 31, 2022, 07:13:41 AM
Quote from: Wis-Mallard on January 30, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
I still don't like that a flip of a disc can determine the outcome of a dual meet. A small tournament is an excellent way to determine the better team. Perhaps not always best "dual team". The best team in the state should be able to win a 6-8 team individual tournament. I don't favor more duals during the individual tournament series timeframe.
So if Amery beats B/W in a regional tournament, that makes them a better dual team than B/W?
No!!!! but I guess according to the all mighty WIAA yes, sad but its the way they have it set up
I know for some of you it is off-putting to consider mimicking what we do in Minnesota but here it is one more time.
3 Divisions
8 Sections for each division
Weekend I
Team Sections (some of our sections do Wednesday pigtail, then F-S, some years we did just Saturday)
This gives you 8 teams at the state tournament
Weekend II
Individual Sections (some do F-S some have done Saturday)
Top two per weight advance, giving you 16 man brackets at state
Weekend III
State Tournament Team and individual
If you want to see the schedule, go to mshsl.org
This has worked great for many years.
I think you have 334 schools with wrestling.
Divide that by three and you have 111 per division.
111 divided by eight sections and you have 14 team sections roughly.
This would allow you to follow the above schedule/format.
Nothing will fix the "issue" of quality kids being left home.
Quote from: panther93 on January 30, 2022, 03:04:16 PM
I think the biggest problem is taking the winner of a individual tournament and making them the dual regional champ. There is a lot that goes into a dual meet that can't take place in an individual tournament. The ability to move and depth of a team are not part of the regional tournament.
We need to correct this, but most have been saying this since the beginning of team state in the 90's and nothing has changed. Minnesota does it right. Wrestle duals to advance to team state!
We also need super regionals, but that is a different topic.
It is possible that Amery wins head to head matches with Baldwin they lost at the dual. 106, 138 and 195 will be big matches again.
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on January 28, 2022, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: thequad on January 28, 2022, 05:20:06 PM
Quote from: Redeemer on January 28, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Houndhead on January 28, 2022, 01:05:56 PM
Congrats to B/W. The bad part is that a individual regional while decide who represents this regional in the team sectional.
WIAA is still in the dark ages on some aspects, unfortunately.
yes this is the situation it just shifted to the different sides of the state.
Would argue it's been an issue in all areas of the state the whole time. That certain NE D2 regional is just a prime example of WIAA not listening.
True, but Burke 106 would have wrestled injured if the dual determined team state series advancement. Only 4 losses against WI kids (current ranks: #2 D1, #5 D1, #3 D2 & #3 D3). He will be back for regionals.
Great Region competition. Number 1 and 2 in the same Region. It was worth every penny. BW had the early lead and Amery came from behind to win with the upper weights! Hats off to these two programs!!!
It was fun. Bw won those big pivot match at 138 and 145 by pin and 195 by decision. Burke made a difference in his major over bw.
Both teams had 5 champs. Bw with 9 sectionals kids and amery with 8. Bw placing ahead at 8 weights and winning 5 to 2 in head to head but Amery gets the regional title. All comes down to bonus points and Amery won that battle for sure!
2 years ago the regional title came down to the last match, bw by less than 2 points, last year last match and less than 2 points with Amery getting the win. This year a heated match up and hopefully next year bw can pull it out ;D
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
So true.....I will add that at 138 bw got a pin instead of a decision and 145 bw also got a pin instead of a major so........both teams picked up points that wasnt had at the dual.
So fun looking at how close the top 2 teams in the area really are. Simply amazing for sure ;D
Quote from: FinalWord on February 14, 2022, 08:27:29 PM
Im told Amery had dead people wrestling for them and the scales were fixed to weigh the Amery guys lighter than they really were. Ask Mike Lindell!
What a positive contribution to this thread. ::)
Maybe next WIAA changes their style on creating the postseason... but I don't see that the wheels are in motion for that, unless they've just been quiet.
Modernization is possible if the people in charge have an open mind.
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 15, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
So true.....I will add that at 138 bw got a pin instead of a decision and 145 bw also got a pin instead of a major so........both teams picked up points that wasnt had at the dual.
So fun looking at how close the top 2 teams in the area really are. Simply amazing for sure ;D
Very true, if you change around Amery's lineup to what they put out for the Regional it changes things up again. With results from Saturday head to head with lineup and probable outcomes where they didn't meet I think BW wins the dual again 34-33 or 34-34 (then BW wins on matches won 8-6, 170 would be the ultimate tossup which I gave to BW in this scenario)
One exciting dual if that were to happen but alas we don't get to see it... :-\
And before anyone comes back in a dual it would be different, I totally understand that and strategy is different and bumping around is a good possibility. Wouldn't it be fun to see it though ;) and this current format of Individual Tournament deciding team leaves us wanting more again and again.
I think it makes for good chatter on this forum. So let's say that we had a true dual meet format for team state. Would Amery and B/W still be in the same regional, or would it be seeded so #1 wouldn't meet #3 until possibly the state final?
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 15, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
So true.....I will add that at 138 bw got a pin instead of a decision and 145 bw also got a pin instead of a major so........both teams picked up points that wasnt had at the dual.
So fun looking at how close the top 2 teams in the area really are. Simply amazing for sure ;D
Littleguy, I'm sure you wish your team had the chance to wrestle Amery in a dual, but the B/W team has a lot to be proud of. If Amery does win team state, you can still claim to be the bettter dual team. Myself, I'm just glad to see someone other than Ellsworth winning this sectional, although I do wish they were in the team sectional.
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 15, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
So true.....I will add that at 138 bw got a pin instead of a decision and 145 bw also got a pin instead of a major so........both teams picked up points that wasnt had at the dual.
So fun looking at how close the top 2 teams in the area really are. Simply amazing for sure ;D
Littleguy, I'm sure you wish your team had the chance to wrestle Amery in a dual, but the B/W team has a lot to be proud of. If Amery does win team state, you can still claim to be the bettter dual team. Myself, I'm just glad to see someone other than Ellsworth winning this sectional, although I do wish they were in the team sectional.
Get a little revenge this year Hound ;) - As for your question on would BW and Amery be in the same regional. If Saint Croix Central can be made to drive to Freedom, and Wrightstown to BW in football for a level 2 game (2019) I think any type of seeding should be fine. Especially if the first few rounds are done on a Saturday. Though if done like MN, they would most likely still be in the same section/region.
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 15, 2022, 02:30:17 PM
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on February 15, 2022, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: Houndhead on February 15, 2022, 07:11:47 AM
Quote from: shouldvewrestled on February 14, 2022, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Jbsi on February 14, 2022, 08:35:16 PM
Amery had the same number of champs (5) and qualifiers (9). Looks like the key was yes, bonus points, and Amery's entire team made the semis. Amery's depth showed for sure as the difference was 30 points this year. With Burke would the dual have been different?
Take Burke vs Gartman score from Saturday and put that in the dual Amery wins. Different day so never know what would have happened. BW beat the team put in front of them that night. Same as Amery took the regional in a back and forth affair. Both events great for NW wrestling.
We will never know who would have won in a rematch of a dual. Congrats to Amery for winning the regional.
So true.....I will add that at 138 bw got a pin instead of a decision and 145 bw also got a pin instead of a major so........both teams picked up points that wasnt had at the dual.
So fun looking at how close the top 2 teams in the area really are. Simply amazing for sure ;D
Littleguy, I'm sure you wish your team had the chance to wrestle Amery in a dual, but the B/W team has a lot to be proud of. If Amery does win team state, you can still claim to be the bettter dual team. Myself, I'm just glad to see someone other than Ellsworth winning this sectional, although I do wish they were in the team sectional.
Get a little revenge this year Hound ;) - As for your question on would BW and Amery be in the same regional. If Saint Croix Central can be made to drive to Freedom, and Wrightstown to BW in football for a level 2 game (2019) I think any type of seeding should be fine. Especially if the first few rounds are done on a Saturday. Though if done like MN, they would most likely still be in the same section/region.
No revenge here. Ellsworth was the measuring stick for so long, that it doesn't seem right for them not to be there. I have great respect for the program. As a Neillsville alum, I was lucky enough to be part of a state title team that beat Ellsworth at the sectional in 1983. I sure wish we would have had the dual format for state back in those days, it would have been a blast.
I don't mean in a negative way revenge, but has been many hard fought close duals in the past years between the two schools so would feel good to get one. I think that dual would have been a fun first round matchup once again if Ellsworth had squeaked out the regional. WSB earned it very much so though and should be a great dual as well.