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Poll
Question: Who SHOULD Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Option 1: Bono votes: 16
Option 2: Askren votes: 19
Option 3: Cunningham votes: 2
Option 4: Metcalf votes: 0
Option 5: Pritzlaff votes: 7
Option 6: Brandvold votes: 6
Option 7: Ruschell votes: 0
Option 8: Reader votes: 4
Option 9: Hahn votes: 8
Option 10: Other (Matt Foley, Turd Ferguson, Ferrari, etc.) votes: 15
Title: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: fightfightfight on March 28, 2024, 04:23:59 PM
I think if there is a change, with the way Wisconsin high school wrestling is trending, a lot of people will want the job. Just interested to see where this falls.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on March 28, 2024, 04:40:16 PM
Something needs to be done ASAP! 40ndays are counting down to land anyone to fill some spots or create competition in the room.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: dad 2 5 on March 28, 2024, 04:50:28 PM
when I first saw this I thought maybe Mac moved and there was a opening.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestlingJunkie on March 28, 2024, 05:52:03 PM
I'd love to see Nick Becker from UW-Parkside in Madison. He is an outstanding coach,familiar with how to navigate the whole beauracratic UW system and close with the Askrens for recruiting and getting a Freestyle program going again. He is a Wisconsin native, already has well-established connections throughout WI/IL, etc.  The guy can flat out coach and I believe would be the "thinking man's choice" to lead Wisconsin wrestling forward for years to come. 
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: hornbuckleb on March 29, 2024, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: wrestlingJunkie on March 28, 2024, 05:52:03 PMI'd love to see Nick Becker from UW-Parkside in Madison. He is an outstanding coach,familiar with how to navigate the whole beauracratic UW system and close with the Askrens for recruiting and getting a Freestyle program going again. He is a Wisconsin native, already has well-established connections throughout WI/IL, etc.  The guy can flat out coach and I believe would be the "thinking man's choice" to lead Wisconsin wrestling forward for years to come. 

I don't disagree with any of the things you mentioned, except I think Nick is right where he needs to be.  He has an opportunity to create his own legacy within DII first as a wrestler and then as a coach.  With his brother as an assitant and other family members so close he has a huge support network.  Maybe he make a change once he wins a couple of NCAA DII Team titles.

Now he might be able to utilize a couple of the current wrestlers in the Badger room.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: sidmyster on March 29, 2024, 10:05:50 AM
Bono and Reader are staying.  Amos and Zargo red shirt. We get some transfer, and give the younger some time to mature.    Rebuilding year.  Let them wrestle.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 10:28:21 AM
Top 10 finishes since 2010-11
Penn State - all firsts but one second and one sixth
Iowa - all top four but two fifths
Ohio State - twice not top 10 with a first and three seconds
Cornell - top eight every year but one
Oklahoma State - three years outside top 10 with two seconds and four thirds
Badgers 10th in 2010-11 and no top ten NCAA finishes since
Iowa State - no top 10s until fourth this year

Does not look like Badgers will see top 10 until at least 2026-27
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Ledger on March 29, 2024, 10:36:38 AM
All three of those "others" probably couldn't do much worse, LOL.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: walden_hiker on March 29, 2024, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 10:28:21 AMTop 10 finishes since 2010-11
Penn State - all firsts but one second and one sixth
Iowa - all top four but two fifths
Ohio State - twice not top 10 with a first and three seconds
Cornell - top eight every year but one
Oklahoma State - three years outside top 10 with two seconds and four thirds
Badgers 10th in 2010-11 and no top ten NCAA finishes since
Iowa State - no top 10s until fourth this year

Does not look like Badgers will see top 10 until at least 2026-27
A bit disingenuous. Unfortunately, 2020 team could not show what was going to be a top ten finish most likely.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 29, 2024, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 10:28:21 AMTop 10 finishes since 2010-11
Penn State - all firsts but one second and one sixth
Iowa - all top four but two fifths
Ohio State - twice not top 10 with a first and three seconds
Cornell - top eight every year but one
Oklahoma State - three years outside top 10 with two seconds and four thirds
Badgers 10th in 2010-11 and no top ten NCAA finishes since
Iowa State - no top 10s until fourth this year

Does not look like Badgers will see top 10 until at least 2026-27
A bit disingenuous. Unfortunately, 2020 team could not show what was going to be a top ten finish most likely.

Based on seeds were projected to tie for 13th but only 3 points from 10th so possible.  Still the future does not look like double AAs anytime soon.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: walden_hiker on March 30, 2024, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: walden_hiker on March 29, 2024, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Numbers on March 29, 2024, 10:28:21 AMTop 10 finishes since 2010-11
Penn State - all firsts but one second and one sixth
Iowa - all top four but two fifths
Ohio State - twice not top 10 with a first and three seconds
Cornell - top eight every year but one
Oklahoma State - three years outside top 10 with two seconds and four thirds
Badgers 10th in 2010-11 and no top ten NCAA finishes since
Iowa State - no top 10s until fourth this year

Does not look like Badgers will see top 10 until at least 2026-27
A bit disingenuous. Unfortunately, 2020 team could not show what was going to be a top ten finish most likely.

Based on seeds were projected to tie for 13th but only 3 points from 10th so possible.  Still the future does not look like double AAs anytime soon.
I agree with this
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on March 31, 2024, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: wrestlingJunkie on March 28, 2024, 05:52:03 PMI'd love to see Nick Becker from UW-Parkside in Madison. He is an outstanding coach,familiar with how to navigate the whole beauracratic UW system and close with the Askrens for recruiting and getting a Freestyle program going again. He is a Wisconsin native, already has well-established connections throughout WI/IL, etc.  The guy can flat out coach and I believe would be the "thinking man's choice" to lead Wisconsin wrestling forward for years to come. 

Coach Becker has done a great job at Parkside but would he be a draw for top talent to come in? I think being a 3 time D2 champ is incredible but if Aaron Brooks said he wanted to coach D1 would you rather have a D1 champ or D2 champ coaching at a D1 school. That is the question people want to know.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: MNbadger on April 01, 2024, 10:06:43 AM
Handles, Still blocking my PM.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Hungus on April 01, 2024, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: sidmyster on March 29, 2024, 10:05:50 AMBono and Reader are staying.  Amos and Zargo red shirt. We get some transfer, and give the younger some time to mature.    Rebuilding year.  Let them wrestle.


Rebuild what? they haven't built anything since they got here. I would take BD again over this train wreck.

Also what story does Bono have to sell a transfer? Come be mediocre, they will get bottom half wrestlers from the available pool. 
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: CityGuy on April 01, 2024, 03:03:44 PM
I would rather have Becker than Brooks coaching at UW for sure. I love Brooks wrestling and preaching. Becker has in state ties and expereince to blow that program up. Kids like to wrestle for him and he produces. Brooks is an excellent wrestler, doesn't always translate to a top level coach and can take some time and seasoning

Coach Becker has done a great job at Parkside but would he be a draw for top talent to come in? I think being a 3 time D2 champ is incredible but if Aaron Brooks said he wanted to coach D1 would you rather have a D1 champ or D2 champ coaching at a D1 school. That is the question people want to know.
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Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: harley25 on April 01, 2024, 03:07:13 PM
Alex Dieringer
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle_4ever on April 01, 2024, 04:04:22 PM
Leroy Kemp
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: hammer on April 01, 2024, 07:06:35 PM
All this talk and my gut feeling says Bono, Reader and Gross will be back for the 2024-2025 season. The word out of Central Michigan that the out going coaches son is the front runner for that head job. I believe Brandvold stays at the U of M and takes over that job in 5 plus years. If all of this comes true, please coaching staff of the Badgers get out and try to put a wall up and talk with kids in the state and build a better moral amoung the states coaches, parents and athletes! I may be very wrong on all of this and I noted gut feeling on these thoughts.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: WrestlerSB80 on April 01, 2024, 07:49:23 PM
If everything stays the same, Who should the coaches go after? But will the kid actually go to Wisconsin? Just a few.

Herm
Wolbert
Koch
Bast
Peterson
Croock
Martin
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: leg turk on April 01, 2024, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on April 01, 2024, 07:49:23 PMIf everything stays the same, Who should the coaches go after? But will the kid actually go to Wisconsin? Just a few.

Herm
Wolbert
Koch
Bast
Peterson
Croock
Martin


Do they all have good enough grades to get in?
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on April 01, 2024, 09:06:03 PM
Quote from: leg turk on April 01, 2024, 09:00:24 PM
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on April 01, 2024, 07:49:23 PMIf everything stays the same, Who should the coaches go after? But will the kid actually go to Wisconsin? Just a few.

Herm
Wolbert
Koch
Bast
Peterson
Croock
Martin


Do they all have good enough grades to get in?
Quote from: WrestlerSB80 on April 01, 2024, 07:49:23 PMIf everything stays the same, Who should the coaches go after? But will the kid actually go to Wisconsin? Just a few.

Herm
Wolbert
Koch
Bast
Peterson
Croock
Martin

All good wrestlers. Not sure which is a fit or need but regardless they all need some kind of contact ASAP! June 10th or 15th after thier sophomore years. Certainly hope those that are quite ready to contact will be shortly and those that can be contacted have been or will be shortly!
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: VQOriginal on April 01, 2024, 09:22:12 PM
Bono, Reader, and Gross will most likely be back next year. Word is, Herm is planning on committing to WI. Rumor so far of course. Allegedly a full ride. I'd doubt that though. Highly doubt it. And it's CROOK😉.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: VQOriginal on April 01, 2024, 09:24:34 PM
If Crook makes a decision, you'll here it here first. He's my son😁. BUUUT, his options are WAAAAAAAY open as of right now.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Numbers on April 01, 2024, 09:44:17 PM
Quote from: VQOriginal on April 01, 2024, 09:24:34 PMIf Crook makes a decision, you'll here it here first. He's my son😁. BUUUT, his options are WAAAAAAAY open as of right now.
NIL message board offers  ???
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: VQOriginal on April 02, 2024, 08:57:01 PM
Numbers,

Lol! Nope. No offers. Just transcript requests! 😂
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: muskie89 on April 03, 2024, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: VQOriginal on April 01, 2024, 09:24:34 PMIf Crook makes a decision, you'll here it here first. He's my son😁. BUUUT, his options are WAAAAAAAY open as of right now.

Sounds like UWSP is still on the table then
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: sidmyster on April 03, 2024, 11:01:17 AM
Barnett, Hamiti, Maylor, Liegel, and Otto gone.  If Amos and Zargo redshirt, that leaves Rivera, Letti, Melcher, and Rosenfeld coming back.  6 open slots, I think that qualifies as a rebuilding year.  Bono did fair with Maylor and Leigel last year, they were not the elite, but wrestled pretty good. Both going to the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle03 on April 03, 2024, 12:14:03 PM
This program has been "rebuilding" since Bono has arrived. Highly doubtful Amos will be back.
I dont see any All-Americans next year and likely bottom 3 in the Big Ten.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: BadgerOne on April 03, 2024, 01:15:40 PM
Quote from: sidmyster on April 03, 2024, 11:01:17 AMBarnett, Hamiti, Maylor, Liegel, and Otto gone.  If Amos and Zargo redshirt, that leaves Rivera, Letti, Melcher, and Rosenfeld coming back.  6 open slots, I think that qualifies as a rebuilding year.  Bono did fair with Maylor and Leigel last year, they were not the elite, but wrestled pretty good. Both going to the NCAAs.

Dillan Johnson probably has more upside than anybody returning and so I'm probably looking forward to watching him wrestle the most of any Badger.  Of course, he might not joint the wrestling team until sometime in January after football season is over.  After that, Braxton Amos, Rivera if he goes at 125 and Condon excite me the most. 
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PM
There's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Hungus on April 03, 2024, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

I would agree if Johnson has NFL stamped all over him, the chances of two sports is slim.
There is a reason The Polar Bear wrestled this year, not a big NFL prospect (currently 5-7 round projection in 2025 draft)
 
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: hammer on April 04, 2024, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

I bet the badgers probably want Johnson to bulk up a bit and not wanting to cut down much. Johnson is around 275 and I bet the Badgers want him at 300 plus.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on April 04, 2024, 08:48:46 AM
Quote from: hammer on April 04, 2024, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

I bet the badgers probably want Johnson to bulk up a bit and not wanting to cut down much. Johnson is around 275 and I bet the Badgers want him at 300 plus.

The Polar Bear weighed 330 during football. Cutting from 300 to 285 should not be a problem.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Army Ant on April 04, 2024, 12:55:07 PM
Wasn't the polar bear a senior though? No need to get ready for next year.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle03 on April 04, 2024, 01:11:12 PM
Wisconsin Wrestling Fan:  Maybe not a problem in your mind but I dont see a college Freshman/Sophomor/Junior wanting to do it more than one time. These guys need to have a social life and they need to go to class and study.   Everyone seems to think Johnson is a lock to wrestle - yea i get it he said he wants to.  But he hasnt even stepped onto campus yet, taken a college level course or gone through football practice / season.  Wouldnt blame him at all if he discovers / decides its just too much. 
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on April 04, 2024, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 04, 2024, 01:11:12 PMWisconsin Wrestling Fan:  Maybe not a problem in your mind but I dont see a college Freshman/Sophomor/Junior wanting to do it more than one time. These guys need to have a social life and they need to go to class and study.   Everyone seems to think Johnson is a lock to wrestle - yea i get it he said he wants to.  But he hasnt even stepped onto campus yet, taken a college level course or gone through football practice / season.  Wouldnt blame him at all if he discovers / decides its just too much. 

I agree it is debatable how much he will wrestle.

Regarding weight loss, you would be surprised how much weight you can sweat in 1 practice. 15 lbs is not a big deal to a heavyweight; for a 125 or 133 pounder, it's a big deal.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Ghetto on April 04, 2024, 03:02:31 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 04, 2024, 12:55:07 PMWasn't the polar bear a senior though? No need to get ready for next year.

Says he's a junior on the Nebraska site.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: DocWrestling on April 04, 2024, 08:03:23 PM
If Johnson wrestles before maybe senior year consider me surprised.  He may even really be thinking right now he is going to wrestle.  He has no clue what he is in for.  I cannot imagine training for football from June to January 1st, then wrestle for 3 months and then go right into spring football for 6 weeks.  Get 2 weeks off and then start again in June.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: BadgerOne on April 04, 2024, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

Who needs a guarantee.  There is no guarantee of anything in life, but I'll take the over against all the doubters if you give me good odds.  Its funny that the guy with the most upside is the one many feel won't even wrestle.  If you guys are right, I think its going to be a long long year with Bono exiting soon after.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 02:15:54 AM
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on April 04, 2024, 08:48:46 AM
Quote from: hammer on April 04, 2024, 01:12:41 AM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

I bet the badgers probably want Johnson to bulk up a bit and not wanting to cut down much. Johnson is around 275 and I bet the Badgers want him at 300 plus.

The Polar Bear weighed 330 during football. Cutting from 300 to 285 should not be a problem.

Does the football coaches want him to cut?

Remember that 100% of his scholarship comes from football and nothing from wrestling.

I hope Johnson comes in and does wrestle and becomes a huge success.

I just think it is laughable that people think our best talent is actually a 100% scholarship footbal guy that he is going to make a difference on the wrestling mat. I hope he does make a difference but I also realize that it may never happen.

If wisconsin is such a high education  school being part of 2 D1 programs and still being eligible is a an amazing feat. It is incredible with the demands that doing school work and competing in 1 sport is tough now keeping good grades and competing in 2 D1 sport is out of.hand very, very good if not incredible! If it happens, I support Mr Johnson 100%!
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Army Ant on April 05, 2024, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 04, 2024, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

Who needs a guarantee.  There is no guarantee of anything in life, but I'll take the over against all the doubters if you give me good odds.  Its funny that the guy with the most upside is the one many feel won't even wrestle.  If you guys are right, I think its going to be a long long year with Bono exiting soon after.

I said "NOT EVEN CLOSE" to a guarantee. I'd say 50/50 he wrestles at all his freshman year. Probably 10% chance he wrestles his sophomore year.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: BadgerOne on April 05, 2024, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 05, 2024, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 04, 2024, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

Who needs a guarantee.  There is no guarantee of anything in life, but I'll take the over against all the doubters if you give me good odds.  Its funny that the guy with the most upside is the one many feel won't even wrestle.  If you guys are right, I think its going to be a long long year with Bono exiting soon after.

I said "NOT EVEN CLOSE" to a guarantee. I'd say 50/50 he wrestles at all his freshman year. Probably 10% chance he wrestles his sophomore year.
I'd say better than 10%.  I think we saw Keuter and Hutmacher and maybe some others play both sports.  The kid loves to wrestle and he was dominant in high school, so I think he fully intends to wrestle.  Plus, if he isn't experiencing the same level of success on the gridiron and doesn't foresee himself in the NFL, then he could even drop football and commit full time to wrestling.  There are lots of scenarios this could go.  I'll be rooting for him to succeed in whatever sport or sports he's participating in.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: vsmf2010 on April 05, 2024, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 05, 2024, 09:45:12 AM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 05, 2024, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: BadgerOne on April 04, 2024, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: Army Ant on April 03, 2024, 03:43:55 PMThere's nowhere close to a guarantee that Johnson joins at all. He's an excellent football prospect. He won't start next year in FB but I bet he makes the 3-deep if he doesn't redshirt or get hurt and gets significant playing time or starts the following year. I know Keuter did it one year, but wrestling will significantly impact his gains in football, even if he doesn't get injured while doing it. That's why what Keuter did is very rare nowadays. If Johnson sees himself making significant progress and is enjoying football, I actually bet he doesn't wrestle at all.

Who needs a guarantee.  There is no guarantee of anything in life, but I'll take the over against all the doubters if you give me good odds.  Its funny that the guy with the most upside is the one many feel won't even wrestle.  If you guys are right, I think its going to be a long long year with Bono exiting soon after.

I said "NOT EVEN CLOSE" to a guarantee. I'd say 50/50 he wrestles at all his freshman year. Probably 10% chance he wrestles his sophomore year.
I'd say better than 10%.  I think we saw Keuter and Hutmacher and maybe some others play both sports.  The kid loves to wrestle and he was dominant in high school, so I think he fully intends to wrestle.  Plus, if he isn't experiencing the same level of success on the gridiron and doesn't foresee himself in the NFL, then he could even drop football and commit full time to wrestling.  There are lots of scenarios this could go.  I'll be rooting for him to succeed in whatever sport or sports he's participating in.

The other big piece of this equation is that his head coach was a wrestler and did this in college some. I saw an interview or a transcript from an interview where coach Fickell said he regretted not wrestling more in college. Having the support of the coach in the primary sport is huge when you are attempting to play 2 sports at the D1 level.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 10:47:54 AM
Wow!

People are forgetting Nash was a bigger star recruit than Johnson was and was the top ranked HWT for a few year though very similar high school results. I feel.Nash did well for his first year back with very little wresrling in the pass few years.

Ok now Johnson probably will not get in much drilling until January's and was bang he is going to be whipped right into possible AA shape. Hey I hope it happens but that is a tall road to hoe. Keuter and the polar bear did well but neither were AA threats in my mind. The old days of kids competing at an AA level in 2 D1 college sports is such a huge task I am not sure if it is possible!

Wrestling is a year around sport in college I just have a hard time.believing kids can wrestle part time and be an AA. Also if we believe our best wrestler next year is going to be a part time football player, that doesn't look good for the team over all.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: Oz125 on April 05, 2024, 11:38:25 AM
Quote from: wrestle03 on April 03, 2024, 12:14:03 PMThis program has been "rebuilding" since Bono has arrived. Highly doubtful Amos will be back.
I dont see any All-Americans next year and likely bottom 3 in the Big Ten.
Amos not coming back has been mentioned several times on this forum. A post on the Intermat forum from a person claiming to be close to Amos said he was planning to come back.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle03 on April 05, 2024, 12:32:36 PM
Alot of rumors going around about Amos, i get it.  But at the end of the day even if he does come back he wont be an All American either.  I remember multiple people saying on this very forum that when Amos signed he was going to be  multiple time NCAA champion, blah blah blah.  Greco does not correlate to college wrestling.  Ask Jesse Thielke.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: imwi on April 05, 2024, 12:37:21 PM
I don't recall Thielke doing much on the Senior level in Greco either so I'm not sure that is a great example.

Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle03 on April 05, 2024, 01:04:52 PM
High school: Four-time Wisconsin state champion for Germantown High School ... joins the Badgers after a season training for the Olympics ... placed fourth at the 2012 U.S. Olympic trials in the Greco-Roman competition ... took fourth at the 2012 US Open ... three-time junior world team member ... FILA Junior National Champion and two-time Fargo champion in Greco-Roman ... compiled a 182-1 record in his high school career.

IMWI:  Amos hasnt lived up to any of the hype - period.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: imwi on April 05, 2024, 01:09:25 PM
Not trying to start a pissing contest but look at how many times the word "junior" and "high school" is used in your response which is sort of my point.

I'll also add that I agree with your statement from the earlier post "Greco does not correlate to college wrestling"

Also, not bad mouthing the guy, he was a phenomenal wrestler.  I was glad to see he started wrestling again with the Army
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: wrestle03 on April 05, 2024, 02:47:43 PM
imwi - point well taken, thank you.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: vsmf2010 on April 05, 2024, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 10:47:54 AMWow!

People are forgetting Nash was a bigger star recruit than Johnson was and was the top ranked HWT for a few year though very similar high school results. I feel.Nash did well for his first year back with very little wresrling in the pass few years.

Ok now Johnson probably will not get in much drilling until January's and was bang he is going to be whipped right into possible AA shape. Hey I hope it happens but that is a tall road to hoe. Keuter and the polar bear did well but neither were AA threats in my mind. The old days of kids competing at an AA level in 2 D1 college sports is such a huge task I am not sure if it is possible!

Wrestling is a year around sport in college I just have a hard time.believing kids can wrestle part time and be an AA. Also if we believe our best wrestler next year is going to be a part time football player, that doesn't look good for the team over all.

I don't know if it is fair to say that Keuter was not a AA threat. He was clearly their best option at Hwt but elected to preserve his RS. He wrestled 4 matches. Got majored by Kerk, defeated Jessen who did not qualify with 1st period fall, beat Tabor who was a qualifier 5-3 and beat Doucet who was a round of 16 guy 5-1. Sounds like a AA possibility to me.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on April 05, 2024, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 10:47:54 AMWow!

People are forgetting Nash was a bigger star recruit than Johnson was and was the top ranked HWT for a few year though very similar high school results. I feel.Nash did well for his first year back with very little wresrling in the pass few years.

Ok now Johnson probably will not get in much drilling until January's and was bang he is going to be whipped right into possible AA shape. Hey I hope it happens but that is a tall road to hoe. Keuter and the polar bear did well but neither were AA threats in my mind. The old days of kids competing at an AA level in 2 D1 college sports is such a huge task I am not sure if it is possible!

Wrestling is a year around sport in college I just have a hard time.believing kids can wrestle part time and be an AA. Also if we believe our best wrestler next year is going to be a part time football player, that doesn't look good for the team over all.

I don't know if it is fair to say that Keuter was not a AA threat. He was clearly their best option at Hwt but elected to preserve his RS. He wrestled 4 matches. Got majored by Kerk, defeated Jessen who did not qualify with 1st period fall, beat Tabor who was a qualifier 5-3 and beat Doucet who was a round of 16 guy 5-1. Sounds like a AA possibility to me.

Maybe your right on that.

I still think to AA you need to be in the room for a full year. Yes he did well for sure but if he keeps it I he has the talent to get into a top spot. Just injuries from football will dictate the training.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 06:06:28 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: vsmf2010 on April 05, 2024, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: littleguy301 on April 05, 2024, 10:47:54 AMWow!

People are forgetting Nash was a bigger star recruit than Johnson was and was the top ranked HWT for a few year though very similar high school results. I feel.Nash did well for his first year back with very little wresrling in the pass few years.

Ok now Johnson probably will not get in much drilling until January's and was bang he is going to be whipped right into possible AA shape. Hey I hope it happens but that is a tall road to hoe. Keuter and the polar bear did well but neither were AA threats in my mind. The old days of kids competing at an AA level in 2 D1 college sports is such a huge task I am not sure if it is possible!

Wrestling is a year around sport in college I just have a hard time.believing kids can wrestle part time and be an AA. Also if we believe our best wrestler next year is going to be a part time football player, that doesn't look good for the team over all.

I don't know if it is fair to say that Keuter was not a AA threat. He was clearly their best option at Hwt but elected to preserve his RS. He wrestled 4 matches. Got majored by Kerk, defeated Jessen who did not qualify with 1st period fall, beat Tabor who was a qualifier 5-3 and beat Doucet who was a round of 16 guy 5-1. Sounds like a AA possibility to me.

Maybe your right on that.

I still think to AA you need to be in the room for a full year. Yes he did well for sure but if he keeps it I he has the talent to get into a top spot. Just injuries from football will dictate the training.

Also Bradley Hill was a NCAA quailifier and I believe he is a redshirt freshmen so have to get by that one first,
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: VQOriginal on April 05, 2024, 07:32:05 PM
I'm getting strong Branvold vibes for the Badger head coach position. Still speculation. Makes sense. He's an alum.
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: MNbadger on April 05, 2024, 09:19:04 PM
I hope not!
Title: Re: Who Should Coach Wisconsin Next Year?
Post by: hammer on April 06, 2024, 12:32:25 AM
Quote from: VQOriginal on April 05, 2024, 07:32:05 PMI'm getting strong Branvold vibes for the Badger head coach position. Still speculation. Makes sense. He's an alum.

That is about the only real person I think would be asked to be the coach. Great choice for sure but he has a great thing going in Minnesota and I don't think the Badgers are willing to invest that kind of money to bring in Brandvold. I would guess it would take a few million to bring him in. Coaches salary, RTC budget, new room and some boosters that will agree to donate X amount of dollars per year to get what he has in Minnesota. Brandvold is probably in line for the Gopher spot in 5 to 8 years and to give up what he has at his disposal is far more than what Wisconsin has.