.....to say that Iowa will never win another team title as long as they have Brands as coach and Sanderson is at Penn St.?
Iowa fans might want to face that reality sooner than later.
Feel free to explain why I may be wrong on this one.....
They should be pretty good next year.
125 Lee
133 Desanto
141 Murin
149 Lugo
157 Young
165 Marinelli
174 Kemerer
184 Wilke
197 Warner
285 Cass
Nolf and Nickal graduate. Iowa's 125, 133, 149, 157, 165, 174, and 197 next year have all been All Americans.
I'll wager to say that because of all the dream teamers penn st lost over this year and the last few years and with the younger talent spread across the other D1 schools in the country being finalists or champs that it will eat into penn st points at nationals. We may have seen the last of their dynasty's run at the top in the short term till Cael waves his magic wand again with another talented group of dominating wrestlers...next year may turn into team depth that crowns the next team champ with Iowa being in that conversation. I agree Cael will never be overlooked in developing his recruits into top notch wrestlers vying for titles, but five-six finalists/champs a year can't be sustained. The Brands will probably build their grinders to be top 5 in their weight classes next year and that might be enough-reminds me of the year MN had 9-10 AA and won the title. Next year could be the year of the "others".
They have 6 returning all americans . Im Just guessing whith out actually checking they have the most returning points.
Quote from: rv84 on March 23, 2019, 11:32:17 PM
They have 6 returning all americans . Im Just guessing whith out actually checking they have the most returning points.
Plus Kemerer if he is healthy and can come back at that level.
Kemerer is a two-time All-American, taking third at 157 pounds in 2017 and fourth last year at the same weight. During his two trips to the NCAA Championships, he's scored two pins, three major decisions and one technical fall. His overall record entering this season is 60-6.
Doesn't matter how many points they return, they'll find a way to be 4th again.
Anytime you watch the Hawkeyes, you need an icepack on your neck. They are hard on the head ties. Brands had them ready in terms of conditioning; but it always seems like a chore for his wrestlers, whereas Cael imparts focus, have fun and finish. Sure as heck is working.
Iowa fans could say the same to us about cracking the top 10, sadly. I like our coach, though. Brands is just weird. Or, should I say, Brands (at least those two) ARE just weird.
Quote from: GoodGod on March 24, 2019, 12:57:34 AM
Doesn't matter how many points they return, they'll find a way to be 4th again.
😂😂😂
Quote from: rv84 on March 23, 2019, 11:32:17 PM
They have 6 returning all americans . Im Just guessing whith out actually checking they have the most returning points.
From a Flo article
Returning Team Points for 2020
Penn State - 82 (includes Cassar. excludes Rasheed)
Iowa - 75pts.
If we Bucky-faithful are going to "pick a fight" I might suggest that we find somebody our own size to start with; the Hawkeyes simply brutalized the Badgers this past season; they should have been put in jail for what they did to Bucky. For the foreseeable future that pattern would appear to the competitive reality. In five years maybe a different tune, but who knows five-years out? If Bucky is going to start talking some smack, I suggest we begin by finding somebody our own size, e.g., Purdue, Rutgers, etc., and work up to the likes of Michigan and/or Minnesota - don't start off by poking a sleeping giant. ;)
This isn't about "UW vs. Iowa".
It's about Iowa not being the "gold standard" for college wrestling like they used to.
I don't care if a guy from Guadulupe happens to point that out.
Since this was posted on the Badgers forum, People living in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. This coming from a program that is standing on their tippy toes to reach the bottom of relevance in big10 and D1.
After all the hype, hard wrestling, buying in....4th place still seems unreachable for UW in the near future.
Seen a lot of improvement on conditioning and won quite a few matches early on because if it. I see other teams caught up in the conditioning and Wisconsin looked tired and burnt out at the end.
We could be so fortunate to be fighting for 2nd-4th every year, packing the fieldhouse, recruiting blue chippers...hope it happens..
Maybe next year
Quote from: imwi on March 24, 2019, 08:16:00 AM
Quote from: rv84 on March 23, 2019, 11:32:17 PM
They have 6 returning all americans . Im Just guessing whith out actually checking they have the most returning points.
From a Flo article
Returning Team Points for 2020
Penn State - 82 (includes Cassar. excludes Rasheed)
Iowa - 75pts.
I thought Cassar is a Senior?
Quote from: bigG on March 24, 2019, 02:34:28 AM
Anytime you watch the Hawkeyes, you need an icepack on your neck. They are hard on the head ties. Brands had them ready in terms of conditioning; but it always seems like a chore for his wrestlers, whereas Cael imparts focus, have fun and finish. Sure as heck is working.
Iowa fans could say the same to us about cracking the top 10, sadly. I like our coach, though. Brands is just weird. Or, should I say, Brands (at least those two) ARE just weird.
I would argue they weren't ready. Wilcke and Warner both gassed hard! Marinelli the clear 1 seed takes 5th. Young and Lee looked great but not so much with the others.
I thought I saw on one of the televised B10 matches earlier this year, one of the announcers said Cassar might be able to get a medical redshirt. He was banged up a couple of years early on.
Too soon for next year predictions. There are going to be significant transfers. Possible additional years granted for medical hardships. Then some programs will have guys take Olympic redshirts. Next year is really an unknown at this point.
Quote from: whatever on March 23, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
.....to say that Iowa will never win another team title as long as they have Brands as coach and Sanderson is at Penn St.?
Iowa fans might want to face that reality sooner than later.
Feel free to explain why I may be wrong on this one.....
This is so funny to me in the Badger section
Quote from: mike on March 24, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: whatever on March 23, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
.....to say that Iowa will never win another team title as long as they have Brands as coach and Sanderson is at Penn St.?
Iowa fans might want to face that reality sooner than later.
Feel free to explain why I may be wrong on this one.....
This is so funny to me in the Badger section
Someone could post the same about every D1 coach with Cael at Penn State and be right 95% most likely. You can post in the Badger section since Bono may be in the other 5%!
Quote from: Numbers on March 24, 2019, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: mike on March 24, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: whatever on March 23, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
.....to say that Iowa will never win another team title as long as they have Brands as coach and Sanderson is at Penn St.?
Iowa fans might want to face that reality sooner than later.
Feel free to explain why I may be wrong on this one.....
This is so funny to me in the Badger section
Someone could post the same about every D1 coach with Cael at Penn State and be right 95% most likely. You can post in the Badger section since Bono may be in the other 5%!
Let's disregard Cael and even winning the whole thing....how about this.....
Is it too soon......?
......to say that Iowa will never finish ahead of Wisconsin again as long as they have Brands as coach and Bono is at Wisconsin?
Realistically what's the timeline for this?
1) Penn State
No. 2 Travis Wittlake
No. 4 Michael Beard
No. 9 Gavin Teasdale
No. 13 Roman Bravo-Young
No. 26 Seth Nevills
No. 20 Joe Lee
No. 34 Brody Teske
Brandon Meredith
Not sure what else needs to be said. Even Arizona State's much-ballyhooed 2015 class might look pedestrian compared to the way people feel about Penn State's 2018 class. The Nittany Lions have received commitments from seven of the top 35, and they address pretty much any lineup holes. With the sheer volume of this class, PSU's place at the top of the list this year will be undisputed, even if a kid or two decommits.
theOSU has 3 of the top 12 P4P guys coming in this year. Look for them to be very tough the next few years
2 Sr. Greg Kerkvliet Simley MN 285 Ohio State 2
6 Sr. Carson Kharchla Ol. Liberty OH 170 Ohio State 6
12 Sr. Jordan Decatur CVCA OH 132 Ohio State 12
Quote from: dad 2 5 on March 24, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
1) Penn State
No. 2 Travis Wittlake
No. 4 Michael Beard
No. 9 Gavin Teasdale
No. 13 Roman Bravo-Young
No. 26 Seth Nevills
No. 20 Joe Lee
No. 34 Brody Teske
Brandon Meredith
Not sure what else needs to be said. Even Arizona State's much-ballyhooed 2015 class might look pedestrian compared to the way people feel about Penn State's 2018 class. The Nittany Lions have received commitments from seven of the top 35, and they address pretty much any lineup holes. With the sheer volume of this class, PSU's place at the top of the list this year will be undisputed, even if a kid or two decommits.
Teasdale is gone and Teske didn't look too great this year. None of these guys will be of the stature of Nolf, Nickal, Ruth, Taylor. I think Iowa beats them next year.