Here is my current projected depth chart. (Several questions / comments follow)
125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George, Nilo
157 - Anderson, Sheen, Goebel. Scharenbrock? Model?
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Otto, Calhoun, Condon
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke
Questions /Comments
125 - Barnett. Two time All-American. Enough said. Kruse is the backup and redshirts.
133 - Rivera appears to have a slight edge over Coy. He could make 125, but Barnett is there. Bobzien could redshirt.
141 / 149 - Zargo and Lettini are the favorites here, I think Zargo bumps up to 149 with Gomez gone. 141 Severin and 149 Medora are the primary backups. Nilo redshirts.
157 - Wide open. Anderson coming back from injury. Sheen and Goebel probably move up to challenge. Is Scharenbrock coming back for 1 more year?
165 - Hamiti unless he plans to move to 174, which would cause Otto to move to 165. Will Model cut to 157 to challenge? 157 worked out for his brother! ;D
174 - Otto is the incumbent. Condon may challenge for the spot right away, given his recent U20 Nationals performance. Calhoun is solid but was behind Otto last year.
184 - Liegel is the primary option, Calhoun could move up if necessary.
197 - Talshahar will be here. Needs to make a big step in his 2nd year. I think he can, like his brother did at Northwestern. Wondering if Empey moves to 197 to challenge with the logjam at heavyweight.
285 - Amos will most likely move to heavyweight, unless he Olympic redshirts as he recovers from injury. Christensen could finally get his chance. Rosenfeld wrestled well his freshman year. Schmidtke provides depth.
if the Badgers add any other transfers this summer, it will probably be at 157 or 197. Still some options available in the transfer portal!
Where's Braxton Amos?
Quote from: Ledger on May 12, 2023, 11:39:42 AMWhere's Braxton Amos?
He's listed as "Amos" at 285.
Nice summary. It appears we will have a bottom 3 big 10 wrestler at 5 or 6 weights next year, unless we bring in a few transfers.
Quote from: mkm13 on May 12, 2023, 12:14:49 PMNice summary. It appears we will have a bottom 3 big 10 wrestler at 5 or 6 weights next year, unless we bring in a few transfers.
9th/10th in the big 10 will often get a berth at Natty's. Based on other movements in the portal and NIL, I'm betting that some guys will find UW an attractive option to transfer to.
Barnett, Bobzien, Zargo, Hamiti and Amos still have redshirts available. Amos has an Olympic redshirt as well. (Zargo, Amos, Bobzien and Calhoun all grey shirted their 1st year)
Hamiti is going to have a hard time closing the gap with who he has in the room to practice with IMO
harley25 - I couldnt agree more. There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him. Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on May 12, 2023, 12:49:28 PMBarnett, Bobzien, Zargo, Hamiti and Amos still have redshirts available. Amos has an Olympic redshirt as well. (Zargo, Amos, Bobzien and Calhoun all grey shirted their 1st year)
At this point our best option is to punt this year and let the young guys go. Barnett, Zargo, Hamiti, and Amos redshirt. Make it a developmental year. Hard to do with the bad taste in the mouth of a lot of fans.
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 02:19:44 PMharley25 - I couldnt agree more. There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him. Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
He has a past NCAA champion as a coach and workout partner. DJ will be fine. Same with Barnett and Gross.
Numbers - so does every other wrestling room in the Big Ten. ONE guy isnt going to get him to the next level. It will be very difficult to close the gap on guys better than him with the guys WI has (I should say dont have) in the wrestling room. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
Quote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 04:58:29 PMNumbers - so does every other wrestling room in the Big Ten. ONE guy isnt going to get him to the next level. It will be very difficult to close the gap on guys better than him with the guys WI has (I should say dont have) in the wrestling room. Keep drinking the Kool Aid.
Dj will be fine!
Quote from: Numbers on May 12, 2023, 03:52:51 PMQuote from: wrestle03 on May 12, 2023, 02:19:44 PMharley25 - I couldnt agree more. There is no one in the room that will make him a better wrestler or push him. Wouldnt be shocked in the least bit if he enters the transfer portal.
He has a past NCAA champion as a coach and workout partner. DJ will be fine. Same with Barnett and Gross.
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Projected Update...
125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Sheen, Medora, George, Nilo
157 - Mechler, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Otto, Calhoun, Condon
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke
Not sure when, but the Badgers are traveling to Humboldt, Iowa to take on Iowa State next season!
https://twitter.com/CycloneWR/status/1658103078686707712/photo/1
Update -
125 - Barnett, Kruse
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Sheen, Medora, George (RS), Nilo (RS)
157 - Mechler, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon (RS)
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke
Wrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:
125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen
It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.
Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..
The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 05, 2023, 09:09:16 AMWrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:
125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen
It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.
Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..
The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.
Where have you heard Amos is moving up? I think his chances are better at 197 given that Heavyweight is top heavy with Kerk, Cass, Hendrickson and Schultz and he'd have to compete with guys as big as 280. 197 is a much easier path for Braxton to break through and make some noise at NCAAs. I also think its possible Braxton does take an olympic shirt and doesn't wrestle next year. That would allow him time to bulk up and move up to heavyweight after returning.
I also don't get why Zargo would move up. He doesn't appear that big at 41.
Didn't Reader say Joey was moving up?
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 05, 2023, 10:44:29 AMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 05, 2023, 09:09:16 AMWrestle Stat has the following Badger starting lineup:
125 - Barnett
133 - Coy
141 - Zargo
149 - Sheen
157 - Mechler
165 - Hamiti
174 - Maylor
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos
285 - Christensen
It will be interesting to see how the starting lineup plays out. Coy wrestled the most at 133 last year; Rivera finished ahead of him at a late season tournament. Bobzien did not wrestle much last year. Does Zargo stay at 141? If so, who starts at 149? 157 will be competitive. Does Amos stay at 197? I have heard he is moving up.
Are any other transfers or recruits coming in? Still quite a few transfer options out there..
The Freshmen will most likely redshirt. Not certain if Russo goes 197 or 285. Condon is tough. The Badgers may try to get the best 10 as starters which would involve moving guys to different weights.
Where have you heard Amos is moving up? I think his chances are better at 197 given that Heavyweight is top heavy with Kerk, Cass, Hendrickson and Schultz and he'd have to compete with guys as big as 280. 197 is a much easier path for Braxton to break through and make some noise at NCAAs. I also think its possible Braxton does take an olympic shirt and doesn't wrestle next year. That would allow him time to bulk up and move up to heavyweight after returning.
I also don't get why Zargo would move up. He doesn't appear that big at 41.
From someone close to the program. That could change though given his Olympic redshirt option as you pointed out.
Updated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
I don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot. I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle. Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot. I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle. Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.
I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.
Quote from: tigerking on June 09, 2023, 07:29:33 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot. I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle. Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.
I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.
I agree Tiger. Rivera is too small for 133 for the top competition. I wonder how long Barnett plans to stay in school.. He's entering his 5th year of college next fall. May or may not be his last year depending on his life plans... Barnett has been very fun to watch for sure. We love our home state guys as well as our out of states.
Quote from: rankwizard on June 10, 2023, 08:31:33 AMQuote from: tigerking on June 09, 2023, 07:29:33 PMQuote from: BadgerOne on June 09, 2023, 05:24:01 PMI don't think Fugitt is going to take a redshirt if he wins a starting spot. I do think he is probably the Badgers best option at 133, though Bobzien may give him a battle. Rivera is kind of smallish for 133 and I think he slots in better at 125 after Barnett is done.
I agree with you. Considering Rivera just wrestled 125.5 at an offseason tournament, I would assume he would be at 125 again next year. Hopefully he can continue to develop as he did not have a strong showing at U23 Nationals.
I agree Tiger. Rivera is too small for 133 for the top competition. I wonder how long Barnett plans to stay in school.. He's entering his 5th year of college next fall. May or may not be his last year depending on his life plans... Barnett has been very fun to watch for sure. We love our home state guys as well as our out of states.
That's it for EB, he will be out of eligibility.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Quote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
This is an awful roster. Especially if Amos does not wrestle this year.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
I agree that it is not elite but depth wise better than previous. We just need to start getting 1 blue chipper per recruiting cycle. Previously, we had studs but zero depth when there was an injury.
Quote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.
Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.
Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).
I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.
I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?
I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.
Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.
Quote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AMQuote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.
Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.
Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).
I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.
I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?
I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.
Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.
<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>
Seriously? If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125. At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition. He was unimpressive last year at 133. Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AMQuote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.
Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.
Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).
I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.
I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?
I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.
Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.
<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>
Seriously? If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125. At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition. He was unimpressive last year at 133. Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Agreed, but think Rivera has good upside at 125 once Barnett is gone
Quote from: wrastle63 on June 12, 2023, 09:53:59 AMQuote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AMQuote from: Vir Fortis on June 12, 2023, 04:19:25 AMQuote from: dad 2 5 on June 11, 2023, 04:24:45 PMQuote from: walden_hiker on June 10, 2023, 01:56:04 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 09, 2023, 12:13:30 PMUpdated Projected Roster:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS, Nilo RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Schmidtke, Russo RS
* Russo wrestled 215 in high school - unclear if 197 is a consideration or not
* Adding Fugitt to the mix makes 133 even more competitive. Current assumption is all Freshman will redshirt
Solid roster
Hiker is that serious? I would not call that a solid Big Ten roster but maybe you are seeing somethings I am not.
I can see...2 AAs out of here, 3 if Zargo can just take a TINY step. He's so close to being a R12 type guy.
Hamiti is still in the toughest weight. Might be one of the top 25 Wrestlers, but just a brutal weight.
Losing Gomez and then Estrada flipping is brutal(though I shouldn't worry about Estrada I guess...he hasn't done anything impressive...until he became an Iowa recruit).
I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while. I just think either '33 is too big or he needs to be really working on his body.
I scan squint and see a couple other guys breaking through, but this is a team that's not deep, that could very easily get shutout in a couple of B1G duels and...yeah, it's nice they've got some depth. Is it really that much better than it's been?
I'd be more inclined to include Amos, but he's primarily a Greco guy at this point, correct? I don't see him making a big jump if he's Wrestling Greco in the off-season. It's just...how many guys who come in, are highly regarded recruits, then focus on Greco see significant gains year over year? It's obviously much tougher, especially for a guy who's biggest issue seems to be just attacking and taking shots. And I really don't think being a small HWT is going to help him.
Bono's enthusiasm has been great. I like Reader and Gross...but when the wall built around the State is working the exact opposite literally every program in every college program intends...the margin of error is VERY slim and this is not a great lineup.
<<I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year.>>
Seriously? If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125. At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition. He was unimpressive last year at 133. Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
Agreed, but think Rivera has good upside at 125 once Barnett is gone
Did you watch U20's
Roster Update:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
I think they have only 1 AA & they will be lucky to crack the top 10 in the conference. This isn't a big 10 roster that's going to win duels.
Quote from: gwmiller44 on June 21, 2023, 02:35:38 PMI think they have only 1 AA & they will be lucky to crack the top 10 in the conference. This isn't a big 10 roster that's going to win duels.
While possible, that certainly isn't being very objective. They already have two two-time AAs in that lineup from which you think they can only pull one AA this coming season. Sounds a bit pessimistic to me.
I do think the team would be stronger if Amos can stay at 197. Hopefully he gets healthy soon. As noted, Braxton could Olympic redshirt this year also.
We currently have 1 former 215lber, 3 former 220lbers and 4 former heavyweights on the roster. Many big wrestlers on the team!
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 12, 2023, 08:20:05 AMSeriously? If Barnett stays healthy and wrestles, Rivera surely won't be the starter at 125. At 133, Rivera would struggle mightily against Big Ten competition. He was unimpressive last year at 133. Zan Fugitt is a year behind Nicolar but I bet he's already much better and I take him to have a better year.
No, not seriously. There's zero chance that Rivera can put on some weight and have a good year.
He's not a talented athlete and there's absolutely no potential for growth from him. Is that good?
Tell me if there are any more amendments I need to appease the Cal Poly boys?
It was foolish of me to say that Rivera COULD potentially surprise and do well.
Vir Fortis, this is what you said "I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while."
You didn't just say "could" which is a meaningless term and you are good at saying meaningless stuff, but "could easily" as its not just within the realms of possibilities but its easily possible and he could not just be a surprise but a "big surprise" and he's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while-hmmm. So are you saying he's right up there with Gross, Hamiti, Gomez and/or Amos? OK, tell me how Rivera did last year, he must have won all or nearly all of his matches with plenty of pins and techs, right?
Quote from: BadgerOne on June 26, 2023, 07:33:01 PMVir Fortis, this is what you said "I'll add the caveat that Rivera could easily be the big surprise of the year. He's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while."
You didn't just say "could" which is a meaningless term and you are good at saying meaningless stuff, but "could easily" as its not just within the realms of possibilities but its easily possible and he could not just be a surprise but a "big surprise" and he's as talented as pretty much anyone they've brought in-in a while-hmmm. So are you saying he's right up there with Gross, Hamiti, Gomez and/or Amos? OK, tell me how Rivera did last year, he must have won all or nearly all of his matches with plenty of pins and techs, right?
Geez, maybe vic is a huge rivera fan. Gosh if someone says something positive about a Badger better watch out!
At this point I will say Rivera is going to do better than Gross, Gomez. Why you ask? Neither are on the active roster and their competing days with the Badgers are over! Really bad compare and and using Amos isn't that good. Hamiti is a stud and probably the best wrestler on the team.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
Now what do we think of this line-up?
Quote from: dad 2 5 on July 17, 2023, 06:17:46 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
Now what do we think of this line-up?
Johnson is class of '24
Quote from: walden_hiker on July 17, 2023, 07:37:38 PMQuote from: dad 2 5 on July 17, 2023, 06:17:46 PMQuote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Amos, Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Christensen, Johnson, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
Added Johnson to HWY; Moved Amos back to 97
Now what do we think of this line-up?
Johnson is class of '24
Yes, Dillan is not in next year's class, so we'll have to wait a year to see him in Wisconsin, but I think he's much better than Christensen already.
Quote from: Wisconsin Wrestling Fan on June 21, 2023, 12:48:11 PMRoster Update:
125 - Barnett, Kruse RS
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt RS
141 - Lettini, Severin, Nilo RS
149 - Zargo, Medora, George RS
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Anderson, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Condon RS
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Empey, Russo RS
285 - Amos, Christensen, Rosenfeld, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
* Moved Russo to 197 and Nilo to 141.
* Added Klarkowski to 285. Many options at Heavyweight.
two months and they get to officially practice. Any one excited? Who makes the biggest jump in wins and in competitiveness.
It appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.
Quote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.
I heard he had shoulder surgery, wouldn't that qualify for a medical reshirt?
Quote from: hammer on August 05, 2023, 04:46:49 PMQuote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.
I heard he had shoulder surgery, wouldn't that qualify for a medical reshirt?
It should qualify as a medical redshirt, but Braxton already qualifies as an Olympic redshirt (I believe) because he was a past World Team Member. So if he does not use the medical redshirt he could save it for another year.
Quote from: tigerking on August 05, 2023, 06:36:26 AMIt appears Amos will not be on the mat this year for Wisconsin with either a medical or Olympic Redshirt. This is a bottom 4 team in the Big 10.
It would have been bottom 4 with or without Amos.
couple weeks from first practice. What is the line up going to look like? Two AA, maybe a couple more NQ?
Quote from: dad 2 5 on September 27, 2023, 07:56:12 PMcouple weeks from first practice. What is the line up going to look like? Two AA, maybe a couple more NQ?
I guess we should be pleased if this happens ::)
Updated Badger Projection:
125 - Barnett, Kruse FR
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR
141 - Lettini, Nilo FR
149 - Zargo, Medora, George FR
157 - Mechler, Sheen, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Model
174 - Maylor, Otto, Calhoun, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
Per uwbadgers.com, David Mitrovich is added to the roster. State Qualifier from California
Per Intermat interview, Coach Bono indicated:
* Barnett is looking very determined at 125.
* 133 is too close to call. 4-way battle!
* Zargo looking stronger at 149.
* Hamiti is Hamiti". He is looking great. He was disappointed in his 6th place finish last year.
* Freshman Dylan Russo has cut to 197, setting up a battle with Talshahar for the varsity spot.
* 285 is very competitive between Christenson, Rosenfeld, Empey and Klarkowski.
* Coach Bono said the 7 freshmen are as good of a freshmen class he has ever been around.
* Team has been working very hard all summer and fall.
It's a little strange that Bono mentioned a 4 way at 133,i heard that two of those kids have blown out shoulders.One for the second time.
Season is here gentlemen. Anyone have any hot takes?
I'll predict the starters.
* 125 Barnett. Will AA. One of my favs.
* 133 Bobzien. Then 50/50 between Nicolar and Fugitt (very competitive here). Coy is tough too.
* 141 Lettini
* 149 Zargo. Will AA
* 157 Mechler ?
* 165 Hamiti. Will AA
* 174 Maylor. Then Condon (Reader saying good things about Condon)
* 184 Liegel. He's The Guy at 84's.
* 197 Talshahar then Russo.
* 285 Christensen then Rosenfeld (Rooting for Big Pete since he's the R-Jr)
Russo is going to be a tough out for Mikey. Now that Dylan weight is down to 197 he could be a monster problem there!
Updated Badger Weights:
125 - Barnett, Kruse FR
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR
141 - Lettini, Nilo FR
149 - Zargo, Medora, Sheen, George FR
157 - Mechler, Model, Goebel
165 - Hamiti, Calhoun
174 - Maylor, Otto, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
Updated Badger Weights: (After Michigan State Open)
125 - Barnett
133 - Rivera, Bobzien, Coy, Fugitt FR, Kruse FR
141 - Lettini
149 - Zargo, Medora, Sheen, George FR
157 - Mechler, Model, Goebel, Nilo FR
165 - Hamiti, Calhoun
174 - Maylor, Otto, Anderson, Condon FR, Mitrovich FR
184 - Liegel
197 - Talshahar, Russo FR
285 - Christensen, Rosenfeld, Empey, Klarkowski, Schmidtke
Only one wrestler at 125, 141 and 184.